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Design my ship please!

The Badger

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Over in the fan fiction section I'm working on an alternative version of Enterprise, what it would have been like if I'd had been in charge, and if there was far less studio interference!

I've been looking through the Fan Art section and have been very impressed by the imagination and skill shown. I was hoping that, if some one had the time, they could bring my version of the Enterprise to life.

It is based, loosely, on the 'ring ship' design seen in the rec room in TMP. In my version there are three fins attaching the ring to the main hull, not one. Seen from the front they give the ship the aspect of the Mercedes Benz logo (I am indebted to Praetor for that description). The ring itself is thicker, serving as the ships living area. Apart from a few exceptions, there are no windows, as the vessel was originally designed for war, and has now been adapted for exploration.

I've repeated the ship's description from the text below. Otherwise use your imagination!

Sadly, there are no prizes to be won!


"Captain, the Enterprise." Moshiri said softly.

Archer looked up, and smiled. He knew the job would be demanding when he took it, but the rewards were....glorious.

Enterprise was beautiful. Her main body resembled a javelin, ready to be thrust to the stars. At first glance it seemed deceptively slender, but there was strength hidden within. There was something aesthetically pleasing over the domes and hemispheres (properly called 'blisters', although Archer thought that word implied disfigurement) decorating the outer surface. They added a softer, almost feminine aspect.
Almost the last third of the hull was surrounded by the wide annular ring that made up the secondary hull. It was connected to the primary hull by three fins, one vertical, the others swept down and to the sides.
Attached to the two lower fins lay the warp nacelles that would take the ship to speeds that seemed incomprehensible to most minds. Quiescent now, they still had an air of raw untold power amongst them.

Whilst Moshiri contacted Enterprise for final landing clearance, her hands fluttered lightly over the controls. Some of the more experienced hot shot pilots liked to fly through the gap between the primary and secondary hulls. She was not yet comfortable enough to try that, but she did fly past what she knew was one of Archer's favourite sights.

On all other Declaration class ships, an array of missile launchers lay along the dorsal surface. This weapons system was not designed for ship to ship combat. It had no place in defending the vessel.
The military euphemistically described it's purpose as 'pacification of ground based threats'. Or, as Archer understood it, bombardment. Bombardment with a variety of warhead options, including nuclear.
Whilst Enterprise was heavily armed, including nuclear tipped anti ship torpedoes, such a weapons system had no place on an exploration mission. And so it had been replaced.

Large sensor arrays took up most of the space, but some clever designer had realised the value to the crew of a large, relatively open area. The observation dome was essentially a lozenge shaped structure of transparent aluminium, big enough for a couple of dozen people, more if they didn't mind squeezing in. An old fashioned, but still effective, optical telescope allowed stargazing. There was even room for a small bar near the back.
In Archer's mind this said much about the mission. Quite apart from a place to relax, the obs. dome would make an excellent location for formal events. He fondly imagined it as the place where diplomatic relations with newly discovered species would begin, where trade agreements would be signed.

Right now there was no one in the dome, except for a lone crewman cleaning the floor. He saw the shuttle and waved. Archer waved back.

Clearance received, Moshiri brought the shuttle in for a soft landing on the pad. As soon as the locks were in place the pad retracted into the hull, and the double doors slid into place above them. Then came the soft hiss as air was pumped into the chamber.
When the atmospheric pressure was high enough a second pair of double doors, located behind the shuttle, opened. The entire landing pad slid backwards on it's tracks, delivering the shuttle to it's designated debarkation area.
 
Okay, you're kidding... right?

Two points:

1) Nobody has any incentive to do what you ask. For someone to do a tremendous amount of work, only to hand it over to you for your own use... not really much cause for that, is there?

I've done a version of the "ringship" which is almost exactly what you describe, but there's no way I'd hand over control of my own work and efforts to someone else. The general concept is public... with legal rights owned by PPC and actual credit being due to Matt Jefferies. On the other hand, that specific implementation is mine, and is in a very real sense my PERSONAL PROPERTY. I've shared it on here in the past, but those threads have long since been "cropped" from the BBS...

This is sort of like you saying "Hey, I want to watch TV... would you mind buying me a 52" plasma screen?"

and...

2) The fun of this sort of thing is doing it yourself. Where's the fun in cribbing from someone else? If you have your own ideas... by all means, IMPLEMENT THEM YOURSELF. It's far more satisfying.

So... no chance, sorry. You really need to do it yourself if you want to implement something like that.
Over in the fan fiction section I'm working on an alternative version of Enterprise, what it would have been like if I'd had been in charge, and if there was far less studio interference!

I've been looking through the Fan Art section and have been very impressed by the imagination and skill shown. I was hoping that, if some one had the time, they could bring my version of the Enterprise to life.

It is based, loosely, on the 'ring ship' design seen in the rec room in TMP. In my version there are three fins attaching the ring to the main hull, not one. Seen from the front they give the ship the aspect of the Mercedes Benz logo (I am indebted to Praetor for that description). The ring itself is thicker, serving as the ships living area. Apart from a few exceptions, there are no windows, as the vessel was originally designed for war, and has now been adapted for exploration.

I've repeated the ship's description from the text below. Otherwise use your imagination!

Sadly, there are no prizes to be won!
 
hmmm not sure if i can help just yet but i do have a design similar to a ring ship though the ring happenes to be the warp drive maybe you can convert that in someway?i'll post it up if your intreasted
 
Okay, you're kidding... right?

Two points:

1) Nobody has any incentive to do what you ask. For someone to do a tremendous amount of work, only to hand it over to you for your own use... not really much cause for that, is there?

I've done a version of the "ringship" which is almost exactly what you describe, but there's no way I'd hand over control of my own work and efforts to someone else. The general concept is public... with legal rights owned by PPC and actual credit being due to Matt Jefferies. On the other hand, that specific implementation is mine, and is in a very real sense my PERSONAL PROPERTY. I've shared it on here in the past, but those threads have long since been "cropped" from the BBS...

This is sort of like you saying "Hey, I want to watch TV... would you mind buying me a 52" plasma screen?"

and...

2) The fun of this sort of thing is doing it yourself. Where's the fun in cribbing from someone else? If you have your own ideas... by all means, IMPLEMENT THEM YOURSELF. It's far more satisfying.

So... no chance, sorry. You really need to do it yourself if you want to implement something like that.

No need to be a douche about it, Cary. A simple "No" would have sufficed.

BTW, since everything here becomes meaningless the day Paramount and CBS decide "All fan crap ceases and desists NOW!", getting pissy about your rights to stuff derived from what they own is kind of a reach.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with Badger asking for help. Again, all you have to do is say "No."

And Badger, I have a question: What would have been wrong with using the ringship as it was originally designed? I hear that guy that designed it went on to do some interesting stuff for TV. ;)
 
Wow, Cary. I'm usually against these kinds of request threads, but damn...way to take it too far. Asking someone to draw them a space ship is nowhere near like asking you to buy them a TV...

However, I do agree with one point and have to ask Badger, why not give it a go yourself? You could at least sketch up the basics of your design to give a potential artist some guidelines. Designing something based on the descriptions in a fanfic can be rather difficult, and an actual sketch would help the artist get inside your head and see actually what you're looking for.

In Badger's defense, this request is a *lot* less demanding and rude than requests we've gotten here in the past. It doesn't have that "I want this and I want it free and I want it now" mentality to it.

If you could do up some sort of sketch, I'd be willing to give a go at coming up with something. That all depends on what you need (orthographic schematics, beauty shot, etc)
 
1) Nobody has any incentive to do what you ask. For someone to do a tremendous amount of work, only to hand it over to you for your own use... not really much cause for that, is there?

Looking through this forum I can see numerous attempts by many talented people to create new and interesting images. Unless I've missed something, some details of payment, then there is no apparent incentive behind any of this.

Asides of course from the satisfaction of creating something.

I've done a version of the "ringship" which is almost exactly what you describe, but there's no way I'd hand over control of my own work and efforts to someone else.

I certainly do not expect anyone to hand over control of their work to me. Indeed, until I read your post the idea of control simply hadn't occurred to me.

Allow me to explain. In the course of writing a piece of fan fiction, to entertain myself and hopefully others, I described a starship. It was inspired by, though not identical to, a briefly glimpsed image seen in TMP.

Although I had a fair idea of what the ship looked like, I thought a picture would be nice.

Now as it happened, I knew of a forum where artistically talented people regularly posted images of starships, some familiar to us, some obscure, and some entirely the products of their own fertile imaginations. There was no indication of any sort of material reward. Instead, as with my attempts at prose, they seem to create purely to entertain themselves and others.

Now whilst I recognize that there is a wealth of material for artists to draw inspiration from, I had hoped that my own paltry efforts would provide an interesting alternative. Clearly I was mistaken.

2) The fun of this sort of thing is doing it yourself. Where's the fun in cribbing from someone else? If you have your own ideas... by all means, IMPLEMENT THEM YOURSELF. It's far more satisfying.

Aside from the facts that I have neither the talent nor the software for such a task (both of which, I concede, could be acquired with time), I am somewhat perplexed as to how someone who has done such superb work on recreating the original Enterprise can condemn 'cribbing from someone else'.


Admiral2, the guy who designed the ringship did stuff for TV? Hmm, hadn't heard of that...:)
Seriously though, whilst I like the basic design, having just one connecting fin looked a little fragile. I also wanted visible warp nacelles to show that it was part of the same legacy as other Enterprises, albeit very primitive.
 
You might want to consider making some quick "doodles" of the kind of design that you have in mind. It might inspire you to refine the idea that's in your head, and it might provide some direction or inspiration for anyone who might design your ship.

Just a thought. :)
 
However, I do agree with one point and have to ask Badger, why not give it a go yourself? You could at least sketch up the basics of your design to give a potential artist some guidelines. Designing something based on the descriptions in a fanfic can be rather difficult, and an actual sketch would help the artist get inside your head and see actually what you're looking for.
Simple answer, I want to see what other people could come up with. Whilst I have some ideas in my head I recognise that there are a lot of people far more talented than I when it comes to the visual arts and it seemed wise to turn to them. At the risk of an immodest comparison, Gene Roddenberry had ideas, Matt Jeffreys gave them form.

I don't want some one to post an image that makes me say 'that's what I was thinking of'. I want to say 'F*** me, that's so much better than what I was thinking of!'.

In Badger's defense, this request is a *lot* less demanding and rude than requests we've gotten here in the past. It doesn't have that "I want this and I want it free and I want it now" mentality to it.

If requests are inappropriate for this thread then I apologise, I didn't realize.

Again, to clarify, I had thought that people in the art forum enjoyed what they do. I had hoped that someone might enjoy creating something based on my ideas.

If the answer is no I can accept that.
 
Not all requests are inappropriate, there have simple been some inappropriate requests here in the past. They've made people a little gun shy to any sort of request.
 
Admiral2, the guy who designed the ringship did stuff for TV? Hmm, hadn't heard of that...:)
Seriously though, whilst I like the basic design, having just one connecting fin looked a little fragile.

TPTB had the same worry back when, which is why it wasn't chosen. But that was for TOS Prize. It could work in the historical context of an ENTboot.

I also wanted visible warp nacelles to show that it was part of the same legacy as other Enterprises, albeit very primitive.

Uhh...the rings are the visible warp nacelles, kinda...
 
Admiral2, the guy who designed the ringship did stuff for TV? Hmm, hadn't heard of that...:)
Seriously though, whilst I like the basic design, having just one connecting fin looked a little fragile.

TPTB had the same worry back when, which is why it wasn't chosen. But that was for TOS Prize. It could work in the historical context of an ENTboot.

I also wanted visible warp nacelles to show that it was part of the same legacy as other Enterprises, albeit very primitive.
Uhh...the rings are the visible warp nacelles, kinda...
No, they're not. They're rings. If he doesn't want them to be "warp" devices, that's his call.

Being that his description is very much in-line with my own personal "take" on this ship... ie, a ship with a ring that is a habitation system (in my case, for rotationally-generated "gravity" effects), and since he's not talking about using MJ's work entirely as-presented later on (post-Star Trek, for the Roddenberry post-Trek series "Starship" which... no pun intended... never got off the ground), I'd argue that this "take" is every bit as valid as the "warp rings" version is.

MJ sketched the "ringship" in a very crude fashion while playing with ideas for the Enterprise, but it never was seriously considered. However, years later (1972, I think?) he revisited the idea. That "revisitation" never got used, but in 1979, it saw screen-time on the rec deck set, and then again recently on the set of "Enterprise" (in a painting in an earthbound bar).

The original MJ sketches from the early 1970s established the ring as being part of the propulsion system, but this series was not intended to be in the "Trek" continuity. So we're really not bound by that. We only have, as canon, the image in TMP and the nearly-identical image in "Enterprise."

When I did my version of this ship, I put in a pair of "subspace field generators" (but not "warp nacelles") which allowed the ship to use FTL impulse (do a search of the BBS and you'll find that this is discussed pretty regularly around here!)... much slower than "warp drive" has the potential to be, but still FTL. It was basically a subspace-field-assisted fusion rocket propelled craft, limited (due to "in-subspace relativity" concerns) to about 75c (equivalent to WF4.2, old-scale). I assumed that it was pre-artificial-gravity, so they needed a rotational section to allow for long-term space travel without causing long-term harm to the crew. Essentially, I treated it like something we might design today, with the exception of the "magic" of subspace (working under the rules established in latter-day Trek series).
 
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