Delta Vega

[Reepeep Boltightener]

I want to first state that I like this movie. I also want to state that I understand that its a seperate timeline and thats why things are different.


How does the events involving the Kelvin move Delta Vega from near the galactic barrier to somewhere near vulcan?

Thats my only gripe.

Sorry if this was already mentioned elsewhere.

 

[Michael]

I guess the consensus is that it is simply a different planet with the same name. Also, I understood the fact that Spock saw Vulcan in the sky merely as a visualization of what he felt when Vulcan got destroyed. It was a mind meld, after all; not an incident recorded by a camera.

 

[Jeri]

I also think it's a different planet with the same name. Delta just means "fourth," (as in perhaps fourth planet from the star); and Vega means "fertile plain." Pretty generic.

 

[Psion]

I also think it's a different planet with the same name. Delta just means "fourth," (as in perhaps fourth planet from the star); and Vega means "fertile plain." Pretty generic.

This is kind of weird, actually ... in astronomy, it wouldn't be the fourth planet in the Vega system, but the fourth brightest star in the Vegan constellation, and you'd need a third number to represent the planet; something like Delta Vega II or Delta Vega VI. But since there is no "Vegan" constellation per se, I'm left wondering what the heck the intent was in "Where No Man Has Gone Before." This and planets like "Psi 2000" have always bugged me ... someone's catalog is seriously screwed up.

I agree 100% with NCC-1701 that Spock's view of Vulcan's destruction should have been allegorical, not literal, but I think Kurtzman and Orci stated that they deliberately "moved" Delta Vega into the Vulcan system just so Spock could maroon Kirk there as he suggested Kirk should have marooned Gary Mitchell.

 

[Jeri]

Huh, hadn't heard that bit from K&O; but that is commensurate with their easter egg goals. Interesting about the taxonomy; thanks. It would make it weird for a planet name.

 

[Peter the Younger]

I agree 100% with NCC-1701 that Spock's view of Vulcan's destruction should have been allegorical, not literal, but I think Kurtzman and Orci stated that they deliberately "moved" Delta Vega into the Vulcan system just so Spock could maroon Kirk there as he suggested Kirk should have marooned Gary Mitchell.

Bleah, reminds me of some of RDM's weaker justifications in BSG. I'm sorry, but when poetic imagery runs up against what you established in the world, you just bit the bullet and say, "That would be nice, but I can't do it."

 

[Reepeep Boltightener]

I agree 100% with NCC-1701 that Spock's view of Vulcan's destruction should have been allegorical, not literal

I understand and enjoy what you are saying here, it was in a meld and all that but really, our TOS Delta Vega would have simply been too far and out of the way to have even been in this movie.

I think Kurtzman and Orci stated that they deliberately "moved" Delta Vega into the Vulcan system just so Spock could maroon Kirk there as he suggested Kirk should have marooned Gary Mitchell.

I have also read this, I just wish they wouldn't do this kind of stuff. Why knowingly create problems for yourself? (I realize that me walking out of a theatre with one single nitpick is not really a problem for them but I think you catch my drift.

Its like putting Klingons in Enterprise, if they had never put them in there they never would have been tempted to tackle the forehead issue...or been forced to deal with it depending on your point of view.

 

[T'Paul]

Why didn't Dela Vega fall into the black hole where Vulcan was?

 

[pookha]

they are pretty easy to miss since the threads are just flying by but some of this was talked about in.,
Jeyl's Nitpicks on XI (Spoiler Heavy) covers this and some other nits,,


just what is delta station..
delta dharma station


a whole thread to itself..
delta vega

you might find something of interest in them.



me mostly i just see them as two different planets with the same name.

 

[Reepeep Boltightener]

Thanks Pookha, thats great.

 

[Psion]

Why didn't Dela Vega fall into the black hole where Vulcan was?

Because the Vulcan black hole should have no more mass than the original planet Vulcan plus the drop of Red Matter, minus the evacuees and their possessions. The gravitational pull of black hole Vulcan would be the same as planet Vulcan.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Well, if the writers conceded that it was just one of those "Easter egg" references to the old series (in other words, something that was just thrown in there for fans to catch), then the planet/planetoid/moon itself doesn't have any significance to the overall plot; hence it can be perceived as a totally different celestial body close to or within the Vulcan star system.

 

[Psion]

they are pretty easy to miss since the threads are just flying by but some of this was talked about in.,
Jeyl's Nitpicks on XI (Spoiler Heavy) covers this and some other nits,,


just what is delta station..
delta dharma station


a whole thread to itself..
delta vega

you might find something of interest in them.



me mostly i just see them as two different planets with the same name.

Thanks, Pookha, but I prefer to let the moderators sort this mess out. It's about time they get off their lazy posteriors and did something productive around here.



[Kirk-rolls out of line of fire]

 

[Daneel]

I agree 100% with NCC-1701 that Spock's view of Vulcan's destruction should have been allegorical, not literal, but I think Kurtzman and Orci stated that they deliberately "moved" Delta Vega into the Vulcan system just so Spock could maroon Kirk there as he suggested Kirk should have marooned Gary Mitchell.

Ah, I see... well, I appreciate the allusion to "Where No Man Has Gone Before", but I don't think they needed to go so far as to actually name a completely different planet Delta Vega. I personally think that just makes things confusing.

As for Spock watching the destruction of Vulcan, it never occurred to me that it might be allegorical -- it seemed pretty clear that he was actually watching it as it happened, which is what Nero wanted him to do. This is another thing that's a little too far-fetched, but if they had clarified that this new Delta Vega was a planet in the Vulcan system (one that is very close to Vulcan), I might have had an easier time buying into it.

 

[Reepeep Boltightener]

If moving the location of Delta Vega or adding another planet named Delta Vega is an easter egg than its an egg that isn't filled with good tasting easter goodness thats for sure.

 

[Classic Fan]

I guess the consensus is that it is simply a different planet with the same name. Also, I understood the fact that Spock saw Vulcan in the sky merely as a visualization of what he felt when Vulcan got destroyed. It was a mind meld, after all; not an incident recorded by a camera.

Sounds good to me, thats how i saw it, as a kind of collage memory, it was visual cue for Kirk to understand the events.


I dont think its a different Delta Vega, if it was, why did they put it in the movie? Its a reference to us TOS fans out there, there is only one Delta Vega, ONLY ONE.


If you do not agree with me, i will take you and "Marooooon. Yooou. Therrrre"

 

[Ptrope]

Why didn't Dela Vega fall into the black hole where Vulcan was?

Because the Vulcan black hole should have no more mass than the original planet Vulcan plus the drop of Red Matter, minus the evacuees and their possessions. The gravitational pull of black hole Vulcan would be the same as planet Vulcan.

This bugged the hell out of me, and still does. The "red matter" McGuffin (not to be confused with "Red Matter McMuffins, which are yummy!!) could generate a gravitational field strong enough to suck in a planet or even the mass of a star, but it would then stop once the mass was consumed? Pretty much everything relating to red matter in the film went beyond sci-fi or space opera and straight into fantasy - it was a huge helping of Harry Potter that I thought created holes far beyond those of the 'black' variety. even though Trek isn't supposed to be a physics course, this demonstrated a complete abandonment of even the suspension of disbelief, at least for me.

Don't even get me started on the coincidences of Delta Vega ... (yeah, iknow it's the thread topic, but ... )

 

[QuasarVM]

I guess the consensus is that it is simply a different planet with the same name. Also, I understood the fact that Spock saw Vulcan in the sky merely as a visualization of what he felt when Vulcan got destroyed. It was a mind meld, after all; not an incident recorded by a camera.

I'd buy all that. Works for me...

 

[QuasarVM]

I also think it's a different planet with the same name. Delta just means "fourth," (as in perhaps fourth planet from the star); and Vega means "fertile plain." Pretty generic.

This is kind of weird, actually ... in astronomy, it wouldn't be the fourth planet in the Vega system, but the fourth brightest star in the Vegan constellation, and you'd need a third number to represent the planet; something like Delta Vega II or Delta Vega VI. But since there is no "Vegan" constellation per se, I'm left wondering what the heck the intent was in "Where No Man Has Gone Before." This and planets like "Psi 2000" have always bugged me ... someone's catalog is seriously screwed up.

I agree 100% with NCC-1701 that Spock's view of Vulcan's destruction should have been allegorical, not literal, but I think Kurtzman and Orci stated that they deliberately "moved" Delta Vega into the Vulcan system just so Spock could maroon Kirk there as he suggested Kirk should have marooned Gary Mitchell.

I like that irony!

So, I guess if you want to get rid of somebody in Starfleet Delta Vega is the "dumping ground" for all the losers!