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Deleted scenes you've seen



Well, that's from the second DVD (C.E.) release of Nemesis !!

They knew they had to give something extra for the second release since it was coming only a few months after the first release.

The first release had 6 or 7 deleted scenes and the second had 13, i believe.

I don't buy DVDs, so I'm entirely in the dark what extras they stick on them!

I wasn't so keen on that cut scene when I saw it on the DVD. The first half, with Troi, Worf and Riker I like - it's also I believe the only nod to Worf's marriage and life away from the Enterprise in the whole film - but the Data mime bit was rather out of character for Data I felt, particualrly the last few seconds with the wincing look he gives Troi. That seemed more of the dodgy 'character humour' moments that were shoehorned into Nemesis.
 
I have seen the ABC-TV broadcast of STII but I would not be able to point out any scenes that are different from those on the SE DVD

The only scene different from the 'ABC cut' versus the Director's cut is the Kirk/Saavik 'lift-scene'. They used close-ups because the 'master shot' was thought to be less appealing on the old narrower screen tv

They also cut out a few seconds of the eels exiting and entering the victims ears for TV & McCoy's (god)-damn.

If you watched the two side by side you'd notice a few slight differences that include maybe a line of two during the simulator scene.
 
Off the subject slightly, roddenberry saw a longer cut of TUC just before he passed away. He hated the scene where Scotty says, "that Klingon bitch probably killed her father"

He saw the final "work print" of the film, with all elements in place. It had yet to be tweaked with a test audience. I'm not so sure it was ever made clear that that line of Scotty's dialogue was the problem at that particular screening - GR had already read all drafts of the script as they were completed, and would have passed on his concerns about Federation attitudes at those times.

According to Ernie Over, GR's carer, GR's subdued reaction to the screening of ST VI in the theatrette was more along the lines of, "I'm sure the fans will love it." (He certainly didn't, as some fan commentaries insist, storm back to his office to make phone calls - he was really too ill to do much at all that week.)

Speaking of work prints, I've mentioned before that I was lucky to see a workprint of ST IV, but as this was several weeks before seeing the release version, I didn't know which "different" footage to take notes on.

The biggest differences were several storyboard sketches and "SPFX missing" slides where unfinished scenes would eventually go, and the scene of the bird of prey, doing its slingshot around the sun, had not yet been rotoscoped. Instead, a large rectangle - containing the bird of prey (on a post) and about four flannel-shirted stagehands holding smoke-filled bellows - went around the sun. It was hilarious!

There were no scrolling end credits. Instead, there was a series of faces-in-circles slides for the main cast and major guests, backed by Leonard Rosenman's music. I recall Jane Wyatt having her own slide - can't recall at what point in the list the film just ended.
 
The first release had 6 or 7 deleted scenes and the second had 13, i believe.

Correct. As originally announced, the double-disk CE was to have only the new bonus scenes, not repeating the first disk's bonus material - but Paramount received a lot of complaints from people who'd held off on getting the single-disk version.
 
Actually, the 'Klingon bitch' line was mentioned by James Doohan at a convention in 1991 in West Palm Beach. He said he was upset by the line and didn't like it and that he complained to Meyer and Roddneberry. And he said he was glad it was cut out. I assume that since Meyer wrote or co-wrote the movie that he probably wouldn't have let Doohan's objection sway him, the way he didn't let Shatner's objection to the 'let them die' line cause its removeal.
I heard that Roddenberry had someone dictate his feelings about a few things for Meyer to look at and one of them was that line. I suppose it might just be coincidence or maybe he didn't object to that line as Doohan did.
 
Star Trek 4 would have been the Trek movie least likely to have had changes from the preview to the theatrical cut simply because the least was cut from Trek 4 than any other Trek movie. Never has a script so matched the final cut in Trek movie history.

A few lines in the operating room
A few lines during the descent to intercept the whaler
A short scene between Gillian's boss and a co-worker
And probably most merorable for a Trek fan--a brief scene between Sarek & Chapel just before he enters the council chamber at the begining.
The Kirk/Saavik scene where he says she "has good cause to stay behind" (hinting at the pregnancy)

I'd guess no more than 5 total minutes from the script to final version. And it's likely they pared down some of that stuff even before it reached preview stage.

Now I'd like to hear from someone who attended the early May 1982 screening of TWOK in Kansas City !!
 
I heard that Roddenberry had someone dictate his feelings about a few things for Meyer to look at and one of them was that line.

Yes, but he was responding to numerous draft scripts (including the infamous "don't make Saavik a traitor" comment) over many months, not waiting to complain about it once the final film was presented.
 
^^^Wow. so you know for a fact that Gene never made any suggestions known to TUC's makers after his screening???

That's the kind of insider information you can only get on a site like this!!
 
On the subject of deleted scenes.............

I have seen stills from the 'even longer version' of the 'Kirk's apt scene' in TWOK where Kirk has put on the glasses and is reading the label again. This final section was NOT restored to the ABC/DC cut because McCoy actually has to explain how to use them to Kirk!!
I can understand Kirk at first not recognizing the odd old-fashioned glasses, but after McCoy says 'they're for your eyes' Kirk would of course know how to put use them (since obviously even in the 23rd century they wear protective glasses and other eyewear.)

I have also seen lots of stills form the original Kirk/David fight.

Lastly I have seen still pictures from the two deleted 'sickbay' scenes where McCoy works on Chekov.

In the first, Chekov is sedated as McCoy works on him and in the second, Chekov has awakened and argues that he wants to go to the bridge.

Pretty much everyone here has seen the two clips of the "Saavik's heritage scene' & the 'Saavik/David bridge scene' currently avaiulable on youtube.

Please note that the 'Saavik/David bridge scene' available on youtube was heavily edited to remove spoilers before they included it in the 'show-west trailer'
It would have been a good deal longer if they had left it in the actual movie.
 
^^^Wow. so you know for a fact that Gene never made any suggestions known to TUC's makers after his screening???
That's the kind of insider information you can only get on a site like this!!

Well, Ernie Over (Gene's carer) was a friend of mine, although I haven't seen him in ages now. But he did tell me about that fateful screening day which marked Gene's last official duty as Executive Consultant.

Fan rumours often claimed that, after the screening, GR went back to his office and started blasting people on the phone - and that most certainly did not happen. GR had had a least two major strokes, was wheelchair-bound and had Ernie as a full-time carer. According to Ernie (IIRC), re the screening, Gene just said, "I'm sure the fans will enjoy it." Any major complaints he had about ST VI had been made (and usually ignored) at the scripting stages months earlier.

Ernie's next duty after the screening was taking GR to hospital, from which GR didn't return.

As for hearing this elsewhere, I'm pretty sure the version Richard Arnold tells at ST conventions pretty much tallies with Ernie's version.
 
I have also seen lots of stills form the original Kirk/David fight.

These may well have been posed studio stills. There are also some of David grasping Saavik from behind in a hug (see the ST II playing cards) when they were toying with linking them romantically.

In my interview with Paul Winfield (Terrell), he told about the controversial impromptu scene of Terrell falling down a sandbank on Ceti Alpha V, when Chekov is startled by the child's face in the cargo bay shelter porthole. A white stuntmen was put into blackface to double for Winfield, which contravened Guild regulations - Meyer should have requested an African American stuntman at least one day ahead - and that scene can't be shown to the public with raising more trouble, AFAIK.
 
NO, the original/longer Kirk/David fight WAS filmed.

Meyer gave a few interviews at the time about why it was cut and mentioned it was one of the things he was over-ruled on.

If you read the script it has David knocking Kirk down and threatening to kll him. Then Carol reveals their relationship and dufuses the situation.

The studio hated the fact Kirk didn't know he had a son---so a quick reshoot was filmed where Kirk says, "Is that David?". If you watch the fight carefully you can see where they brought back Shatner & Butrick and redid it. They also had to reshoot a bit of the short scene with Kirk & Carol--changing the line "Why didn't you tell ME?" by having Shatner say "Why didn't you tell HIM?"

Several other lines were deleted later to avoid the recent revelation and making it vague when exactly David finds out.
Hopefully the Blu-ray high def release will have this and other deleted scenes.

The vintage 'Making of Star Trek II' book talks about this and other cuts in detail.
 
How about the massively - ridiculously - interminable original intro for "Generations" with Kirk spacediving to earth in time to hook up with Chekov and Scotty...which I guess was supposed to show how he was missing risking his life on a daily basis or something.

God, if you thought the tumbling champagne bottle was annoying, be thankful you weren't subjected to THAT scene!
 
Since I mentioned it in the other thread------------

The brief from TVH where Kirk talks to Saavik about 'good reasons for staying behind'--her pregnancy.

I'd love to see that, especially since there is so little cut from TVH anyway.
 
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