Women who inflict hickeys just annoy me in general.
Defying Gravity: "Rubicon" 8/23 - Grading & Discussion
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Run a Google image search on "Florentine Lahme" (on your home computer) to get the answer to that.
I have to wonder why only one grade school on the entire planet gets access to such a major space exploration event.
Long time viewer/first time poster...
Something I noticed from the previous posts - despite all the negative comments the votes are tending to run "Average" and higher. Sometimes I get so confused. Maybe it's just that the haters like to post about it while those of us enjoying the show are keeping quiet.
I have enjoyed this show and definitely will keep watching it. I voted "Average" for this week's show because it was, well, average. It was what I've come to expect. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm really, really enjoying the way future tech is presented on this show. It's set 50 years from now but the tech really isn't that far out there. Finally someone has learned from the sins of the past where, in the 1950s, for example, they depicted we'd be living on the moon and everyone driving flying cars by the year 2000. Instead the tech in DG is subtle. I really liked the swiping the business card over the phone and it starting to dial. Definitely made sense that business cards and cell phones would advance like that. Also, while the nanite hairspray seems silly it did give a plausible explanation for the lack of flyaway hair. Many people here bellyached over it but I've not heard anyone suggest another explaination. Either you point out the scientific innacuracy of their hair not floating around or you complain about the explaination. Guess some people have to have something to complain about.
My only complaint is the lack of time lag in communications between the ship and Earth. We should see incredible lag at this point. Heck, the comm lag from here to the moon is 1.2 seconds (one way). These guys are a lot further away than the moon.
I thought we'd have the big reveal about Beta in this episode. Are they dragging it out or not?
Something I noticed from the previous posts - despite all the negative comments the votes are tending to run "Average" and higher. Sometimes I get so confused. Maybe it's just that the haters like to post about it while those of us enjoying the show are keeping quiet.
I have enjoyed this show and definitely will keep watching it. I voted "Average" for this week's show because it was, well, average. It was what I've come to expect. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm really, really enjoying the way future tech is presented on this show. It's set 50 years from now but the tech really isn't that far out there. Finally someone has learned from the sins of the past where, in the 1950s, for example, they depicted we'd be living on the moon and everyone driving flying cars by the year 2000. Instead the tech in DG is subtle. I really liked the swiping the business card over the phone and it starting to dial. Definitely made sense that business cards and cell phones would advance like that. Also, while the nanite hairspray seems silly it did give a plausible explanation for the lack of flyaway hair. Many people here bellyached over it but I've not heard anyone suggest another explaination. Either you point out the scientific innacuracy of their hair not floating around or you complain about the explaination. Guess some people have to have something to complain about.
My only complaint is the lack of time lag in communications between the ship and Earth. We should see incredible lag at this point. Heck, the comm lag from here to the moon is 1.2 seconds (one way). These guys are a lot further away than the moon.
I thought we'd have the big reveal about Beta in this episode. Are they dragging it out or not?
^The problem is, it's not a plausible explanation. It isn't remotely plausible. And for the record, I did suggest another explanation, several times. It's an explanation they're already using: centrifugal force. If they wanted to have the characters walking around and their hair behaving normally, they should've just designed the ship so that the whole habitat section rotated. That would've been simple, straightforward, and plausible. It worked fine on Virtuality. The whole magnetic-nanoparticle thing serves no in-story purpose. It's illogical, overcomplicated, and unnecessary. Maybe one could argue that having your clothes magnetically pulled down could give your body resistance and help you maintain your muscle and bone mass, but there's just no sane explanation for magnetic hairspray to make your hair behave as if it's under gravity when it isn't. There is no possible reason why that would be a necessary or sensible thing to do on a spaceship cruise. And it would in fact be an insanely bad idea to spray tiny magnetic particles into the air of a spaceship in free fall. Any kind of particulates in the air in free fall are a bad thing, so hairspray in general would probably be a no-no. And magnetic particles? Like I said in an earlier thread, those would get into the equipment and short it out and kill everyone aboard.
So hell yeah, I'm going to complain about an explanation when it's a STUPID explanation, and when there's absolutely no reason not to use a simpler explanation by giving the whole ship rotational gravity instead of just parts of it. I have every right to complain. I'm not someone who "has to have something to complain about." I'm not a "hater." There are plenty of shows that I love. This is not one of them. I gave this show a fair chance, I wanted to like it, but it's just plain not a good show. So don't you dare accuse me of dishonesty, of making up reasons to criticize this show. I despise dishonesty, and I despise unfairness. I criticize the science in this show because it deserves criticism.
So hell yeah, I'm going to complain about an explanation when it's a STUPID explanation, and when there's absolutely no reason not to use a simpler explanation by giving the whole ship rotational gravity instead of just parts of it. I have every right to complain. I'm not someone who "has to have something to complain about." I'm not a "hater." There are plenty of shows that I love. This is not one of them. I gave this show a fair chance, I wanted to like it, but it's just plain not a good show. So don't you dare accuse me of dishonesty, of making up reasons to criticize this show. I despise dishonesty, and I despise unfairness. I criticize the science in this show because it deserves criticism.
The actress that played Zoe's mother also played Harmony, Willie's girlfriend on V and V The Final Battle.
She looks like she's had some awful plastic surgery since then. She would look better with some wrinkles than she does with "plastic face".
I knew I'd seen her before, but couldn't place her.
I agree.
I listened to the show while streaming it from the abc.com website last night and used headphones. I really enjoyed the background ambiences on different places of the Antares with Commander Ted Shaw [Malik Yoba] and Maddux Donner [Ron Livingston] especially near the the water purification system. It had the ships ambience but it also had fans which were like a HVAC system and would be very realistic with C2 scrubbers and ventilation/heating systems required on a ship similar to the Intl. Space Station. If you haven't seen it here is the thread/link to the 28 minute video tour of the ISS. If you listen closely to the ISS tour you can hear how the ambience changes in different compartments. It is louder near the beginning of the video.
It reminds me of how Voyager's and Enterprise's ambiences changed. I mentioned them as with TNG Dolby Surround wasn't really thought of during it's run for TV and with Enterprise it was mixed in 5.1 surround with the ambience being more prominent in the mix with the rear channels.
I would agree if this were a theatrical feature film. Being that it is television seconds of silence just are not an option while waiting for answers even with the (already droning) music on broadcast television, even for AMC or TNT. Maybe, maybe if on a premium cable channel.
I'm sorry to post it but it is relevant to Trek fans:
from this REVIEW
The show is what it is and I will watch it but I dislike the amount of Earth vs. Antares ship ratio we're getting. I want to see more stuff on the Antares with the crew! Less flashbacks and also less present Earth-bound character time. As a Trek fan that is where a major difference is with this series and really ANY Trek series. If this is a show about a space journey I want more time of the journey itself.
I really do like the ship's design, the crew of characters and an attempt on a broadcast TV network in the USA to put a scifi show on without guns, bombs, or rayguns during the primetime viewing schedule.
I also notice some very nice closeups from a cinematography perspective in this episode that I don't remember from previous episodes. Very wide apertures remind me more of older episodes of CSI style of closeups.
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It's a workable strategy, but they're not doing it right! Lost gave us fascinating characters who we were willing to watch regardless of whether the story made any sense even for years. Defying Gravity's characters are about as dull as any I've seen on TV. If they wanted their characters to carry the story by themselves, they needed to pay a lot more attention to casting and writing. Ron Livingston is the only actor on that show that's remotely worth tuning in for. Some of them (especially the blonde from 24) are downright intolerable.
The apparent rejection of arc storytelling by American audiences seems to be sounding loud and clear with the low ratings for this show.
I love Defying Gravity, personally. I like the fact each episode peels away just a little piece, and the fact it is 2 shows in one: the first show tells about the 5 years of training involved in getting them on the mission, and the second show is about the mission. And they've combined them. But folks seem to want it to be just space battles and aliens.
Frankly, in terms of pace and tone this is the closest standard network TV has gotten to Moore's Battlestar Galactica. And in some cases I'm liking it even more (BSG reached a point where I was surprised the whole cast of characters didn't commit mass suicide every week).
I have my fingers crossed that when the US network cancels it (as it's pretty clear they will) that the fact it's an international production will keep it going in Canada, the UK, and Europe. At least the UK and Europe are more accustomed to telenovels that take years to unfold. In America, and Canada, it's more about instant gratification. I consider Lost to be an anomaly in that regard (and even then, a lot of people don't bother with it anymore because it took too long to get going; it's probably only still on the air because Abrams gave the network a definitive end date).
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I love Defying Gravity, personally. I like the fact each episode peels away just a little piece, and the fact it is 2 shows in one: the first show tells about the 5 years of training involved in getting them on the mission, and the second show is about the mission. And they've combined them. But folks seem to want it to be just space battles and aliens.
Frankly, in terms of pace and tone this is the closest standard network TV has gotten to Moore's Battlestar Galactica. And in some cases I'm liking it even more (BSG reached a point where I was surprised the whole cast of characters didn't commit mass suicide every week).
I have my fingers crossed that when the US network cancels it (as it's pretty clear they will) that the fact it's an international production will keep it going in Canada, the UK, and Europe. At least the UK and Europe are more accustomed to telenovels that take years to unfold. In America, and Canada, it's more about instant gratification. I consider Lost to be an anomaly in that regard (and even then, a lot of people don't bother with it anymore because it took too long to get going; it's probably only still on the air because Abrams gave the network a definitive end date).
Alex
Or quite possibly the reasons described by others in this thread: lack of compelling characters and poor writing.
I REALLY wanted to like this show. I don't want space battles and aliens in a show like this (which, oddly, Beta might just be an alien). I want a story about exploring the planets and the challenges (physical and mental) that astronauts would have to face on such a long voyage.
Inaccurate and hyperbolic. American television continues to have a mix of arc- and episodic-based television (and some that mix the two, like Fringe); and several new ones, like Flash Forward, will soon be starting--if audiences didn't want arc storytelling, the networks wouldn't be ordering new shows in that format. Defying Gravity's problem is that it was boring as all smeg, with neither interesting plot or characters. A show like this has to make one care either about the journey or the promised destination (preferably both), and through an emphasis on dull irrelevancies, failed on both accounts.
Actually, Abrams wanted to end it sooner, at five seasons; and the network had it stretched out to six. I'm not sure what that has to do with the ratings, which would kill or enable renewal regardless of whether there was a set end, but an endpoint was not what has kept Lost on the air; audience interest in characters and story did that.
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I like the stuff on the ship, but I seriously skipped through all the earth-based flashbacks.
More crew stuff. Less flashbacks. Please.
And GEEZ, Christopher. How many threads are you going to use to complain about the nano hairspray? Yes it was stupid, but you go on and on about like as if it was a crucial plot point.
More crew stuff. Less flashbacks. Please.
And GEEZ, Christopher. How many threads are you going to use to complain about the nano hairspray? Yes it was stupid, but you go on and on about like as if it was a crucial plot point.
Yeah we get it now. 
That's NOTHING. The Enterprise and BSG forums had posters -- one each in particular -- that would rag on about how awful the show was and how it was a waste of time, yet they kept watching every single episode and making post after post after post, mainly to proclaim how right they were.
The largest post I ever saw here was from a BSG hater about BSG and the manifesto was like 23skiddo's last post right up above times 15!
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What a load of crap thinly veiled America bashing. Maybe people are tuning out because they don't wan't desperate housewives in space.
Take you bigoted crap to TNZ, they'll love you in there.