Deadly Police Shooting A Couple Blocks Away

[ThankQ]

Well, I doubt I have to worry about being broken into tonight. Glad to hear the woman is doing fine. I'm not sure which particular house, but whichever it is, I walk by it on nearly a daily basis. Despite overwhelming curiosity, I decided to stay in and not go down the road and add to the clutter. This is a modest but safe part of Tulsa. Mostly retired people, singles and couples starting out. A few hipsters and pot heads, but that's about as crazy as it gets.

http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/tulsa-police-shoots-burglary-suspect

 

[sojourner]

Tulsa's turning into a regular Sweden.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Jesus, that's scary. Thankfully the police were able to arrive before he could do further harm to the elderly woman.

 

[MANT!]

The comments below the newscast are scary..

Wat to go Tulsa PD. Anyone that can hurt elderly people do NOT deserve jail

YEA!!!!!! FINALY REAL JUSTICE

please note the lack of proper spelling..

 

[Deranged Nasat]

The comments below the newscast are scary..

Wat to go Tulsa PD. Anyone that can hurt elderly people do NOT deserve jail

YEA!!!!!! FINALY REAL JUSTICE

please note the lack of proper spelling..

For the criminal to disregard rule of law in favour of rule of force is expected (sadly), but for the state enforcement, the community or the non-criminal to favour rule of force is far more dangerous. They're paying lip service to the concept of law while undermining its foundation - which is, finding a means to elevate people above the concept that might is right and force is an appropriate means of influencing people. To celebrate deadly force or unnecessary violence is to make the way of the criminal fringe the standard, and lawlessness will increase further. And a society that only functions through force or threat of it is basically a failed society.

To be honest, it concerns me just how common acceptance of force is becoming. No longer is it just the criminal who celebrates it. So many people seem determined to delight in violence, death and intimidation tactics. I'm not offering comment on the actual police officer here, by the way; apparently they had cause to believe the invader was armed and willing to use it, and the situation was extreme. We'll see what the inquiry says. But even where police use of force and even deadly force is justified, people shouldn't be celebrating it. In fact, thinking about it, it also harms the reputation of the local police - those comments tar the police officer with sentiments of trigger-happy righteousness.

 

[ares93]

Jesus! Police response in four minutes? Damn, these guys are quick. Over here, the response is around 15 minutes. You can do it in three if you don't have much traffic and disregard traffic laws. (Hrm, I mean, I think. I...uhm...haven't tried it of course.)

Tulsa's turning into a regular Sweden.

Nah, too much paperwork. They rarely fire their weapons, the good ol' baton works wonders.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I don't think these things should be celebrated. That said, I think that failure to use force when there is no other choice, and to allow innocents to suffer when you have the power to stop it, is wrong. It's self-interested, in a way.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

Jesus! Police response in four minutes? Damn, these guys are quick.

Yeah. Depends on where you live, how serious your problem is, what else is going on at the same time, etc. I live in a big city, and the only time it really mattered -- when when I was attacked -- they were at my door in less than five minutes. For minor stuff, it can take hours.

 

[ares93]

Yeah. Depends on where you live, how serious your problem is, what else is going on at the same time, etc. I live in a big city, and the only time it really mattered -- when when I was attacked -- they were at my door in less than five minutes. For minor stuff, it can take hours.

Now I know its a whole 'nother country an all, but in my wildest dreams, i couldn't imagine a response time under ten minutes. I'm so used to them being so damn slow that this baffles my mind. And we don't have a lack of coppers, the station is pretty big for a town this size. We've got our own PIKET (SWAT) team and they're even buying a Sandcat.

I never really checked the time but it must've taken them over 30 minutes to respond to the GBH I called in. Hell, we had time to bust the door down, separate them, stabilize her and drive to the hospital and back. And still have time to wait for the police. This wasn't some tosser pocketing candy at the store. GBH is pretty damn serious.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Jesus! Police response in four minutes? Damn, these guys are quick. Over here, the response is around 15 minutes. You can do it in three if you don't have much traffic and disregard traffic laws. (Hrm, I mean, I think. I...uhm...haven't tried it of course.)

Blimey! Those bobbies came faster than a young lad getting a good rogering.

Tulsa's turning into a regular Sweden.

Nah, too much paperwork. They rarely fire their weapons, the good ol' baton works wonders.

Bollocks. Lot a good a baton will do ya when yer facing down a gang of angry Syrian-Swedes, guvnah.

 

[ares93]

Bollocks. Lot a good a baton will do ya when yer facing down a gang of angry Syrian-Swedes, guvnah.

Hehe, good one. I think the only time swedes and syrians unite is when the police is involved. Othervise, they hate each other's guts.

I'm so damn glad I moved... Albeit, I didn't quite do it consciously, I'm glad regardless. We do get our share of trouble though, but its nothing too bad. Besides, Stockholm is a pretty big city.

 

[Hound of UIster]

And I thought there was a Civil War in your country...

 

[ares93]

And I thought there was a Civil War in your country...

Not at all. There are certain extremely high crime areas, but that's only a fraction of the country. Sweden is a pretty peaceful country unless you live in the "hotspots". I unfortunately grew up in two of those hotspots so I got my fair share of crap.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

Yeah. Depends on where you live, how serious your problem is, what else is going on at the same time, etc. I live in a big city, and the only time it really mattered -- when when I was attacked -- they were at my door in less than five minutes. For minor stuff, it can take hours.

Now I know its a whole 'nother country an all, but in my wildest dreams, i couldn't imagine a response time under ten minutes. I'm so used to them being so damn slow that this baffles my mind. And we don't have a lack of coppers, the station is pretty big for a town this size. We've got our own PIKET (SWAT) team and they're even buying a Sandcat.

I never really checked the time but it must've taken them over 30 minutes to respond to the GBH I called in. Hell, we had time to bust the door down, separate them, stabilize her and drive to the hospital and back. And still have time to wait for the police. This wasn't some tosser pocketing candy at the store. GBH is pretty damn serious.

That's not good. People can be very dead in 30 minutes.

BTW, what does "GBH" stand for?

 

[ares93]

That's not good. People can be very dead in 30 minutes.

BTW, what does "GBH" stand for?

Grievous bodily harm. I believe the US term is aggravated assault.

You have plenty of time to die a few times in 30 minutes. Assuming no medical attention is administered. It was nothing but dumb luck that I forgot my mobile and we went back for it. And the fact that both of us have some sort of medical training.

 

[Holdfast]

You have plenty of time to die a few times in 30 minutes.

Are you a cat?

 

[ares93]

You have plenty of time to die a few times in 30 minutes.

Are you a cat?

lol! nah, but if someone's heart stops and they dont get medical attention within 5 minutes, they're pretty much buggered. hell its enough that you stop breathing for a few minutes and you risk brain damage. *shiver* not many fond memories connected to this subject. shall we drop it? please?

 

[RobertVA]

Last week a man robbed a restaurant about five miles from my home. Police spotted him in a shopping center about a mile from my home and started pursuing him. He crashed about a mile and a half from that point and started running on foot. Trouble was, he was brandishing an automatic rifle! Of course he was warned multiple times to put the rifle down by the multiple officers who had reached the scene by that time. He died from his wounds.

After looking up his record the police learned he had made a false report about holding a hostage about a two and a half years ago. When the police arrived at the earlier incident they faced a similar armed suspect situation. He survived his wounds the first time.

Turns out both times his "firearms" were convincing looking toys (no bright barrel tips). The follow up press reports show a photo of his realistic looking representation of a full automatic rifle.

Shame on anyone who objects to police using deadly force to stop someone who not only used the threat of deadly force to rob people but also refused to lay down what they thought was a machine gun when confronted by police.