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"Dead Stop" Questions.

Gingerbread Demon

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Some things I've wanted to ponder about this episode.

1. Who or "what" built the station, and why?

2. How long had this thing been sitting here like a clever trap to lure in the unsuspecting?

3. Every ship that lands here loses a crew member but does the copy they get always die?

4. What would a future Trek crew have to say if they encountered the station? It's still out there remember because it can not only fix ships but it can repair itself. We see that right at the end of the episode.
 
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I always felt it acted like Borg tech (especially the self repair), even if it wasn't built by the Borg. Maybe it was infected with Borg nanoprobes, but not assimilated?

But, like the Conspiracy aliens in TNG, they didn't follow up unfortunately.
 
I've wondered what became of that station too. I both do and don't want resolution, because I like the mystery of it, but I keep thinking by at least TNG time I'm sure that someone else from Starfleet or the Federation has stumbled upon it.
 
I've wondered what became of that station too. I both do and don't want resolution, because I like the mystery of it, but I keep thinking by at least TNG time I'm sure that someone else from Starfleet or the Federation has stumbled upon it.

Maybe the JJPrize will find it one day.
 
1. Who or "what" built the station, and why?
An intriguing question, and especially the 'why' part. Did the station serve any purpose at all except for repairing alien ships and nicking their crew members? Though I must say, part of the fascination I have with this episode is that we don't find out.
2. How long had this thing been sitting here like a clever trap to lure in the unsuspecting?
There didn't seem to be thousands of bodies of kidnapped crew members within the station, or at least within that room, and the repair station itself doesn't appear to be huge, either. So that could mean that it hasn't been there for a very long time, or at least not abducting crew members for a long time. Or ships venture there only very rarely. Or those bodies have an expiry period after all and are then 'discarded'. Or ... (well, take your pick).
3. Every ship that lands here loses a crew member but does the copy they get always die?
If those copies weren't viable, there would be no other way. And if it could replicate viable bodies, there probably would be no need to steal them from ships. Unless, of course, it could only augment its functions by adding different brains, not more of the same.
4. What would a future Trek crew have to say if they encountered the station? It's still out there remember because it can not only fix ships but it can repair itself. We see that right at the end of the episode.
I suppose they'd say : "oh, look, it's a space station!". Or words to that effect.

What they would say later on would depend on their interactions with the station, I suppose.
 
This is one of my favorite episodes in ST:ENT. It's fun to ponder the whats and whys of something that was only depicted in one episode. If you'd like to explore these questions further I suggest reading Christopher Bennett's Star Trek: Enterprise series Rise of the Federation, books 3 (Uncertain Logic) and 4 (Live by the Code) specifically. I imagine Christopher's explanations will prove to be quite interesting with regards to this topic (I'm specifically trying to avoid spoilers here).
 
I found it strange that the copy of Mayweather who was walking and talking had to be killed. I take it that was the space station that lured him to the cargo bay, but when did the switch take place? That bit eludes me.

Doesn't killing the copy give the whole game away?
 
Perhaps the station should have just been straightforward about it. Would have been much simpler for all parties involved.

"Select a method of compensation to begin the repair process."
(Archer whistles and picks option: '200 L of warp plasma and ensign Travis Mayweather' )
 
I thought the station lured the real Travis to the place and beamed him out, like Tucker and Reed were beamed out of the conduit they were snooping around in. Then it left the dead clone in his place immediately so they wouldn't go looking for him.

Wasn't this episode directed by Roxanne Dawson and she was the computer voice of the station?
 
Two Enterprise Novels Uncertain Logic and The latest Enterprise novel Live by the code by Christopher L. Bennett have the backstory about Dead stop's space stations.The books stories are really interesting about unraveling the Mystery of the Deadstop tv episode.
 
I thought the station lured the real Travis to the place and beamed him out, like Tucker and Reed were beamed out of the conduit they were snooping around in. Then it left the dead clone in his place immediately so they wouldn't go looking for him.

Wasn't this episode directed by Roxanne Dawson and she was the computer voice of the station?

You are correct......... it's in the commentary on the DVDs and blu ray of the show.
 
Two Enterprise Novels Uncertain Logic and The latest Enterprise novel Live by the code by Christopher L. Bennett have the backstory about Dead stop's space stations.The books stories are really interesting about unraveling the Mystery of the Deadstop tv episode.


We can't get those novels over here........ Are they still even in print?

PM me the spoilers I am curious
 
Some things I've wanted to ponder about this episode.

1. Who or "what" built the station, and why?

As Long Syntax said, I devoted books 3-4 of my Rise of the Federation series to answering that question.

We can't get those novels over here........ Are they still even in print?

Book 4 just came out a couple of months ago, Book 3 a year before that. They're definitely still in print. And if "over here" means the UK (as your signature suggests), then the books are indeed available through Amazon. They're Star Trek: Enterprise: Rise of the Federation: Uncertain Logic and Live by the Code.



3. Every ship that lands here loses a crew member but does the copy they get always die?

The copies are not alive in the first place. Remember, replicators can't create living things, only nonliving things, because they don't have sufficient resolution. The Ware (as I named the technology in my books) abducts crewmembers secretly by faking fatal accidents and replacing the abductees with "dead" copies, so that the crews don't realize there's been an abduction. The way Phlox found out the truth was by discovering that the vaccine microbes he'd injected into Travis days earlier were dead, even though they should've thrived on the type of energy that supposedly killed Travis. So he realized that the "dead" Travis was merely an exact, replicated copy that had never been alive at all. As Phlox said, "It's ironic, in a way. The station can duplicate a dead human body in all its exquisite detail, yet a living, simple, one-celled organism is beyond its capability."
 
Book 4 just came out a couple of months ago, Book 3 a year before that. They're definitely still in print. And if "over here" means the UK (as your signature suggests), then the books are indeed available through Amazon. They're Star Trek: Enterprise: Rise of the Federation: Uncertain Logic and Live by the Code.


OK I had no idea they were still available....... No not in the UK. Was it the mention of Cate Archer that made you think that? She's from the game NOLF...

I'm in Australia and my favourite bookshop doesn't stock the books.
 
No, the "tea and scones" bit. Never heard of Cate Archer.

I checked Amazon.co.au, and the ROTF books are available in Kindle form there.

I don't kindle....... I prefer proper paper books.

I'll ceck out Amazon again now that I know they are in stock see if they ship them here.
 
This was one of my favorite Enterprise episodes. Personally, I have no problem with it being a stand alone Twilight Zone Star Trek episode. Not everything needs to spring into an extended story arc. The mystery behind the station itself is part of what makes it good, the viewer can let their imagination run wild.
That being said, it could be that the station interacts differently with each species it encounters. Some races would consider trading a crew member in exchange for vital, life saving repairs a fair deal. In those cases the station may very well list a crew member as a payment option, or insist that was the only way it would render help. The idea of building a biologically based neural net would certainly appeal to some species. They may even rationalize that the exchanged person wouldn't truly be dead, they would live on as a component of a greater whole (the Binars from TNG might have looked at it that way). With more sentimental creatures like humans, deception was obviously the strategy it employed in getting what it wanted/needed.
I doubt every ship loses a crew member - not every creature would necessarily be compatible. For example, I don't know if the station could've successfully integrated a Tholian into it's system. It looked like it used primarily humanoids when they showed the processing chamber.
As for future Enterprises, after Archer filed his report with Starfleet all active crews would be aware of the danger posed by this station. I would think Galaxy class starships would be too large for even that station to accommodate anyway. Also, in the 23rd and 24th centuries Starbases would be far more common than they were in Archer's time. Starfleet would also have a lot more ships to render assistance, so something like the Enterprise D needing the station would be much less likely.
Great episode, though, they should've done more shows like that one.
 
This was one of my favorite Enterprise episodes. Personally, I have no problem with it being a stand alone Twilight Zone Star Trek episode. Not everything needs to spring into an extended story arc. The mystery behind the station itself is part of what makes it good, the viewer can let their imagination run wild.

And that's what I did in my books -- I let my imagination run wild and extrapolated a possible explanation. The only difference is that I get to share what I imagined with other people. The books aren't canonical, just might-have-beens. So my speculative explanation doesn't preclude fanfic authors or just fans from imagining different explanations.

And no, it didn't "need" to be an extended story arc, but I needed material that I could get extended story arcs from, because I'm being paid to come up with them. And that particular episode suggested possibilities that I could do interesting things with.

That being said, it could be that the station interacts differently with each species it encounters. Some races would consider trading a crew member in exchange for vital, life saving repairs a fair deal. In those cases the station may very well list a crew member as a payment option, or insist that was the only way it would render help. The idea of building a biologically based neural net would certainly appeal to some species. They may even rationalize that the exchanged person wouldn't truly be dead, they would live on as a component of a greater whole (the Binars from TNG might have looked at it that way). With more sentimental creatures like humans, deception was obviously the strategy it employed in getting what it wanted/needed.

One of the major elements of my Ware storyline, in fact, was exploring how different civilizations reacted differently to the cost in lives. The system itself wasn't as intelligently adaptive as you suggest, but various races were more or less willing to adapt to its demands, or to find their own different ways of coping with those demands.


I doubt every ship loses a crew member - not every creature would necessarily be compatible.

Of course not -- that would be too much of a giveaway. If every ship that patronized such a station suffered a "fatality," the pattern would soon become obvious and people would stop coming to them. And they'd only take new captives when they needed to replace one of the old ones.


For example, I don't know if the station could've successfully integrated a Tholian into it's system. It looked like it used primarily humanoids when they showed the processing chamber.

I took that as a production error, essentially. Remember: When Enterprise first arrived, the conditions on the station were extremely far from Minshara-class -- a liquid helium atmosphere near absolute zero. Nothing humanoid could survive that. The stations were meant to adapt to the needs of all kinds of life forms, so it was a poor design/directorial decision to show only humanoids in the primary data core.

Indeed, I went to town with this in Live by the Code -- the benefit that the Ware could provide by allowing species physically incapable of inventing their own technology to gain the means to travel in space and interact with each other, versus the cost that the technology exacts from its users. Is it a price worth paying? I found that a fascinating ethical question to explore.


As for future Enterprises, after Archer filed his report with Starfleet all active crews would be aware of the danger posed by this station. I would think Galaxy class starships would be too large for even that station to accommodate anyway. Also, in the 23rd and 24th centuries Starbases would be far more common than they were in Archer's time. Starfleet would also have a lot more ships to render assistance, so something like the Enterprise D needing the station would be much less likely.

It's unlikely the technology would've been encountered much after the ENT era, since after all it had replicator tech that was well beyond what the Federation had until the 24th century.
 
My imagination had actually considered the Bynars as being somehow involved with the stations design.

BTW have ordered the Enterprise books
 
It's also interesting to note that the station only took Travis Mayweather after Trip and Reed were detected by the station attempting to gain access to its computer core- and beamed back to the bridge. Could Mayweather's abduction possibly also have served as some kind of punishment for that ?
 
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