Day of the Daleks

[Worf2DS9]

Finally watched the special edition of "Day of the Daleks" and I quite enjoyed it. I have yet to see the original broadcast version on Disc 1, but nothing on the S.E. stood out as being not from the '70s, except perhaps the shots of the buildings where the Daleks' HQ was located, which looked a bit too CG. It wasn't until I watched the behind the scenes feature afterwards that I realized some stuff I'd thought was original was actually new!

The new effect used when the Ogrons disintegrated someone with their blasters was really cool and reminded me a bit of the heat ray effect in Spielberg's War of the Worlds when the victim just went poof into bits. And Nick Briggs' Dalek voices were a vast improvement over the weird original voices.

And I also liked Jo Grant, as this was really the first time I've seen her -- with a fresh view anyway. I seem to recall watching an episode several years ago where she and the Doctor were rooting around in caves. Anyway, she was cute and reminded me a little of Carey Mulligan.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They remastered Day of the Daleks?

This is the scene they should have put in to underline how the Daleks won the Earth by reversing their loss in The Dalek Invasion of the Earth to Hartnell.

The 1964 opening credits.

the scene plays out exactly like it did in 1964, The Doctor and Ian are looking about trying to figure out what year it is.

Maybe play the first 2 or three minutes before they all split up.

A Dalek Saucer flies overhead,

Actually, a Dalek saucer did fly over head.

But this time it bombs the shit out of the TARDIS, The Doctor and his companions.

Then there's an aerial view and we realize that the saucer had been dropping nukes as London is wiped off the map.

Nothing left but ashen corpses.

 

[zarkon]

It was brilliant. I liked the dalek hq too, though I agree it was jarring.

I wish they had the budget to do this more often.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You would wonder if Torchwood would have been going through the wreckage of that mansion looking for Dalek Technology to reverse-engineer?

"If it's Alien: It's OURS."

 

[Davros]

You would wonder if Torchwood would have been going through the wreckage of that mansion looking for Dalek Technology to reverse-engineer?

"If it's Alien: It's OURS."

UNIT was all over the place, they would get first claim.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Different mandates.

It might have even have been UNIT's SOP to hand over Alien technology to Torchwood because it's precisely just another Government Department... Especially since Despite appearances, UNIT doesn't work in Great Britain's interests first, or answer to the British Government.

UNIT is only allowed to operate on English soil by Invitation.

Torchwood, and whosoever is backing Torchwood, her name is Elizabeth, wouldn't need much clout to tell UNIT to *&&^ off, or not to steal from British citizens like they were Nazis pillaging and looting France during the War.

 

[Davros]

Different mandates.

It might have even have been UNIT's SOP to hand over Alien technology to Torchwood because it's precisely just another Government Department... Especially since Despite appearances, UNIT doesn't work in Great Britain's interests first, or answer to the British Government.

UNIT is only allowed to operate on English soil by Invitation.

Torchwood, and whosoever is backing Torchwood, her name is Elizabeth, wouldn't need much clout to tell UNIT to *&&^ off, or not to steal from British citizens like they were Nazis pillaging and looting France during the War.

UNIT with the Doctor as scientific adviser would still get first claim.

 

[Guy Gardener]

First, the doctor wouldn't get around to reverse engineering a Dalek blaster for the Brigadier because he's easily distracted, second he wouldn't, and third if he was forced to, he would sabotage the project. Look what happened to that blaster in day of the Daleks the Brigadier wanted to mass produce. "Puff".

UNIT "Britain's" entire scientific division is "One Guy" and sure it's the Doctor, who can do anything, but what if he didn't show up when he did, and if it was just one incredibly hot girl called Liz Shaw? She maybe brilliant but she only has two hands. But it's exactly what they want and they have budgeted for. Figure out how to kill some thing and move on.

UNIT Britain is not set up to handle long term projects or research and development.

(I say Britain, because the Brigadier could ship alien tech off to Europe where they may have extensive facilities to investigate the unknown. But like the British parliament would be happy with that. Future Alien Blastr technology in the hands of the Itallians of the Turkish! Lethbridge Stuart could be tried for Espionage, just for doing his job.)

Torchwood on the other hand, hell even the British Military, has factories of labs and thousands of scientists working around the clock on every thing that comes to hand and they're probably hiring more scientists every day to tackle all the new problems falling from space every week.

I'm gonna say it again, "science" is not UNIT (Britains) mandate.

They just kill things.

ON the other hand.

Just like Warehouse 13, they could lock shit up away on long term storage, but how is that helping Queen and Country?

 

[Davros]

I'm thinking more of the Doctor would pick up Dalek blasters and the like to prevent them from becoming human weapons they should not have in the current timeline.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Of course he would.

And the Brigadier would call that Treason, well maybe not the Brig, but certainly most of his superiors.

Did you ever watch Babylon 5?

in season one there was this ass hole scientist, a Joe Mengele Type, and just before she could SELL Immortality (Think gods, not vampires. Billions of years.) to the hoi poloi, the already billion year old god types of Aliens killed her, and this sanctimonious space gods only remark to the little people was "You were not ready"

Ironically, within Three years those Gods were forcably kicked out of the galaxy by Humanity and a few other species, who were by then quite "ready".

Did you ever wonder why that Disintegrater gun from the Giant Robot wasn't standard issue by the middle 1980s?

But everything 3 said about that Sontaran handing over breach loading rifles to those thugs in the middle ages, and then some.

I can't believe his gall, climbing out of the smoke of the Roswell crash, that Quark tried to sell Quantum Torpedoes to the US Military on the eve of the Korean War.

But the human argument is simple.

"Go fuck yourself alien, who are you to say what we are ready for?"

The Doctor was infantalizing humanity.

How would every subsequent 3rd doctor story have gone if the lads from Unit had those blasters from Day of the Daleks?

The Brigadier would have thought splendidly.

The Doctor would have looked at us like we were meth addicts selling our ass for another hit.

 

[zarkon]

Different mandates.

It might have even have been UNIT's SOP to hand over Alien technology to Torchwood because it's precisely just another Government Department... Especially since Despite appearances, UNIT doesn't work in Great Britain's interests first, or answer to the British Government.

UNIT is only allowed to operate on English soil by Invitation.

Torchwood, and whosoever is backing Torchwood, her name is Elizabeth, wouldn't need much clout to tell UNIT to *&&^ off, or not to steal from British citizens like they were Nazis pillaging and looting France during the War.

From memory this pretty much happened in claws of axos though, right?

Britain could have gotten a monopoly on axonite but the brig managed to stop them, without ramifaction for unit in britain.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That was the entire world vs Britain.

The UN is a puppet the world uses to seem civilized.

193 hands shoved into the same puppet.

Three legged races are hard, running the world through the UN is a circus.

Circuses are preferable to war.

I'm not a hundred percent on this episode, but from what I recall, Britain wanted Axxonite all to itself but the Axxonites wouldn't play ball.

And you're saying that Alistair supporting the Worlds benefit over the singularly Britains?

Good for him.

But the dissemination of free energy is a little different than kitting up every child on the planet with alien weapons tech and pointing them at a target, which is what would happen if a sentient Dalek AI attached itself to the internet, not that any peaceful innovation can't quickly be turned into a weapon that there are some counties that shouldn't be trusted with anything beyond what they can make themselves.

Isn't Claire Danes just lovely?

 

[CaptainMatt]

I own a copy of the Special Edition and really was quite suitably impressed with the CGI Dalek bits in the future timeline, and with the new, improved voices as well.
And for once, there are more than three attacking the mansion in the story's climax!

 

[CaptMurdock]

They remastered Day of the Daleks?

This is the scene they should have put in to underline how the Daleks won the Earth by reversing their loss in The Dalek Invasion of the Earth to Hartnell.

The 1964 opening credits.

the scene plays out exactly like it did in 1964, The Doctor and Ian are looking about trying to figure out what year it is.

Maybe play the first 2 or three minutes before they all split up.

A Dalek Saucer flies overhead,

Actually, a Dalek saucer did fly over head.

But this time it bombs the shit out of the TARDIS, The Doctor and his companions.

Then there's an aerial view and we realize that the saucer had been dropping nukes as London is wiped off the map.

Nothing left but ashen corpses.

Only one problem with that: the Dalek Invasion that the First Doctor and Company happened in the mid-twenty-second century. IIRC, the events precipitated by the pre-destination paradox had the Daleks being the masters of Earth in the late twenty-first, almost exactly a century after the Third Doctor's exile. By the end of the story, this other Dalek-dominated timeline never occurred.

 

[WillsBabe]

One of my favourite stories. Can't justify buying it at the moment but I shall treat myself to it as a birthday present in the next couple of months.

 

[Cutter John]

With all this talk of UNIT and weapons, I distinctly remember a scene in an episode where the Doctor disarms a powerful bomb and boils out the contents. When the Brig complains, the Doctor gives him an explaination along the lines of "Modern human weapons are quite deadly enough thank you."

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Looking forward to getting this, it's one of the few Who stories i have never seen.

 

[DWF]

I really enjoyed the special edition, I just wish they'd done a better job of edition the original footage, the book had some extended scenes in it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Such as...

 

[Candlelight]

Such as...

The flipside of the scene in the lab in the opening episode for a start. The director didn't film it as he felt it was too silly.