dax death question....

[Cmdr Sho]

In the last episode of DS9 season 6, doctor basier said that there was nothing that he could do to help dax.. With all that medical advancement how could there be nothing he can do abd she is still alive for that brief of time? Also in "the wreckoning" kira and jake were possessed by wormhole aliens and were hurt and dr bashier fixed them up just fine, so what was wrong with dax?

 

[Navaros]

You bring up a great point. They obviously didn't think this through too much in the writing room and therefore it does not hold up to the scrutiny you've given it.

Probably because they didn't want Dax to be alive in the first place in those lame scenes. Moore has said originally they planned to have Dukat very brutually execute her, but Berman wouldn't let them. Hence her lame scenes being zapped by Dukat and no good explanation for why she's still alive for a while after and Bashir can't help (other than because it appeased Berman to do it that way).

 

[Marie1]

It looked like a bit of an electric jolt type thing... it didn't look like something that would necessarily incur an immediate death... but since TF was leaving the show, she had to die no matter the medical progress of the time, and I think they wanted Worf to get a chance to say goodbye.

 

[nx1701g]

Maybe Dax's death was different because she wasn't possessed by a Wormhole Alien like Jake and Kira were in "The Reckoning".

 

[Cmdr Sho]

Ya it is a very good point.... But y have her die... Just send her away or do what they did to wesley...

 

[Cmdr Sho]

But then you also have dax back again as esrie... So in a sense you didn't really lose the charater, it is just comming in a different form.... So that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me...

 

[Jono]

Given Jadzia was essentially killed by magic there could be any number of reasons why Bashir couldn't save her but could save Dax is strange, especially given that she took the hit around where she keeps her symbiont. Maybe the damage Dukat did was to destroy the bonds between her and Dax permanently, which is a death sentance for a joined Trill but doesn't kill them straight away.

You can't just send her away because she is married to another main character. Even if she was away fans would expect to see transmissions from her and expect her to appear in the final episode. It is possible they could have arranged for her to make guest appearances but that would depend on how good their relationship was with Terry at the time. Plus they would then be subject to her timetable with Becker, which could be very troublesome. The producers could have also just decided that despite all this they would have better storytelling ideas if they killed her and repackaged the Dax.

By the way Cmdr Sho, you've got a few spelling mistakes in your sig. The words versatile, special, propulsion and Briar are incorrect. The last is only incorrect if you are in fact referring to the Briar Patch as seen in Star Trek: Insurrection.

 

[Cmdr Sho]

Ahhh... Thank you for pointing that out... Can't do much about spelling on a cellphone...


You do have interesting points, but they could have done what I said earlier in the series too...

Still you do see a lot of very weird medical stuff in star trek and the chief medical officer got them out of it 98% of the time. Especially with the profit stuff.....

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Given Jadzia was essentially killed by magic there could be any number of reasons why Bashir couldn't save her but could save Dax is strange, especially given that she took the hit around where she keeps her symbiont. Maybe the damage Dukat did was to destroy the bonds between her and Dax permanently, which is a death sentance for a joined Trill but doesn't kill them straight away.

That was actually my own speculation over what Dukat did. The Trill neurological system seems to be more fragile than other species, or at least for joined Trills. I wouldn't be surprised that Dukat took advantage of that.

 

[Timo]

Bashir was pretty good at this reversal-of-death stuff most of the time, but he appeared to drop it at least twice. He was shown capable of treating knife wounds to the lower back a couple of times, but failed to save Armin Maariza in "Duet". And he was shown capable of treating phaser burns to the torso, too, but failed to save Li Nalas in "The Siege". While it could be argued that Li got hit in a particularly bad spot, and that phaser hits usually are fatal when intended to be, the knife wound was a simple repeat of incidents where Bashir had allowed a main character to survive just fine.

Then again, Odo, too, was lax in his duties in protecting Maariza. Perhaps it was by mutual agreement of our heroes that Maariza was allowed to die in the hands of a Bajoran, considering that this had been his fondest wish for such a long time?

In contrast, I'm not too worried about the death of Jadzia: it was magic, so it was probably difficult to cure - but Dukat didn't understand or control that magic particularly well, so even if he wanted to be 100% lethal, he might plausibly fail, and leave the symbiont alive. And while crazed and all, he need not have been interested in killing the person who blocked his way - just disposing of her/it in an expedient manner.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I may be nuts, when it comes to Marritza...but there IS something to be said for the degree to which the patient fights for his or her life. And I think Marritza may well have embraced his death when it came, rather than resisting when he realized what was happening...he didn't WANT to come back and I rather suspect that were he to have been resuscitated physically, that his spirit would have been gone.

I think we have also seen that neurological involvement is a particularly difficult thing to treat sometimes, even in the 24th century. Most remaining incurable disorders, like Bendii, Irumodic, and Yarim Fel syndromes all seem to have some nervous system involvement. Phaser damage may be particularly nasty for this, as well as whatever Dukat did.

 

[2 of 10]

Bashir was pretty good at this reversal-of-death stuff most of the time, but he appeared to drop it at least twice. He was shown capable of treating knife wounds to the lower back a couple of times, but failed to save Armin Maariza in "Duet". And he was shown capable of treating phaser burns to the torso, too, but failed to save Li Nalas in "The Siege". While it could be argued that Li got hit in a particularly bad spot, and that phaser hits usually are fatal when intended to be, the knife wound was a simple repeat of incidents where Bashir had allowed a main character to survive just fine.

Then again, Odo, too, was lax in his duties in protecting Maariza. Perhaps it was by mutual agreement of our heroes that Maariza was allowed to die in the hands of a Bajoran, considering that this had been his fondest wish for such a long time?

In contrast, I'm not too worried about the death of Jadzia: it was magic, so it was probably difficult to cure - but Dukat didn't understand or control that magic particularly well, so even if he wanted to be 100% lethal, he might plausibly fail, and leave the symbiont alive. And while crazed and all, he need not have been interested in killing the person who blocked his way - just disposing of her/it in an expedient manner



Timo Saloniemi

Good Points, I have had problems with the way some characters die. In "Son's of Mogh", Worf brings a d'kahg right into Korns Chest, it should have been instant death, wheather or not Bashir treated him or not.
But in "Tacking into the Wind" Worf stabs Gawron in the lower stomach, for a Klingon this may just be a flesh would, however he dies almost at once, is this a case of bad writing or just getting rid of a character...

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Bashir was pretty good at this reversal-of-death stuff most of the time, but he appeared to drop it at least twice. He was shown capable of treating knife wounds to the lower back a couple of times, but failed to save Armin Maariza in "Duet". And he was shown capable of treating phaser burns to the torso, too, but failed to save Li Nalas in "The Siege". While it could be argued that Li got hit in a particularly bad spot, and that phaser hits usually are fatal when intended to be, the knife wound was a simple repeat of incidents where Bashir had allowed a main character to survive just fine.

Then again, Odo, too, was lax in his duties in protecting Maariza. Perhaps it was by mutual agreement of our heroes that Maariza was allowed to die in the hands of a Bajoran, considering that this had been his fondest wish for such a long time?

In contrast, I'm not too worried about the death of Jadzia: it was magic, so it was probably difficult to cure - but Dukat didn't understand or control that magic particularly well, so even if he wanted to be 100% lethal, he might plausibly fail, and leave the symbiont alive. And while crazed and all, he need not have been interested in killing the person who blocked his way - just disposing of her/it in an expedient manner



Timo Saloniemi

Good Points, I have had problems with the way some characters die. In "Son's of Mogh", Worf brings a d'kahg right into Korns Chest, it should have been instant death, wheather or not Bashir treated him or not.
But in "Tacking into the Wind" Worf stabs Gawron in the lower stomach, for a Klingon this may just be a flesh would, however he dies almost at once, is this a case of bad writing or just getting rid of a character...

Do we know where the Klingon heart (and other vital organs) are located, exactly?

 

[nx1701g]

That was actually my own speculation over what Dukat did. The Trill neurological system seems to be more fragile than other species, or at least for joined Trills. I wouldn't be surprised that Dukat took advantage of that.

That is true. I remember during the circle trilogy Dax said something to the effect that an insect bite could be deadly to a Trill.

 

[Timo]

Good Points, I have had problems with the way some characters die. In "Son's of Mogh", Worf brings a d'kahg right into Korns Chest, it should have been instant death, wheather or not Bashir treated him or not.

But being dead need not have been a major concern for Kurn. Bashir could patch up Kurn's heart and restart it later; the body wouldn't suffer too much during a few minutes of being dead. And Bashir could revitalize most of it even before the heart was repaired anyway; the brain wouldn't get damaged from lack of oxygen if Bashir injected it with that triox stuff, and he could hook up the rest of the body to life support machines soon thereafter.

But in "Tacking into the Wind" Worf stabs Gawron in the lower stomach, for a Klingon this may just be a flesh would, however he dies almost at once, is this a case of bad writing or just getting rid of a character...

Well, there was nobody there to treat Gowron. The Klingons wouldn't have wanted to - it's not their way. And Bashir was not invited.

Do we know where the Klingon heart (and other vital organs) are located, exactly?

According to "Ethics", there's some duplication of key functions. Nothing as extreme as double hearts, I trust, but probably this still means that a knife wound won't be quite as harmful to a Klingon as it is to a human, no matter where the blow falls.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Cmdr Sho]

it is very intresting on how "selective" the deaths are.....

 

[LLAP]

J. Dax's death was probably one of the most underwhelming moments in DS9. I mean, there she was after 6 seasons and then BAM a totally uninteresting death by Dukat's magical evilness. Booooo!!!

 

[plynch]

In the last episode of DS9 season 6, doctor basier said that there was nothing that he could do to help dax.. With all that medical advancement how could there be nothing he can do abd she is still alive for that brief of time? Also in "the wreckoning" kira and jake were possessed by wormhole aliens and were hurt and dr bashier fixed them up just fine, so what was wrong with dax?

It's because of that awesome red cassock Bashir started sportin' in season six. He is like the high priest of death when he wears that. It renders his healing powers null. Garak made it, and it is impervious to blood wine stains when they lunch. Actually I heard Ira Steven Behr got it a George Lucas rummage sale from an imperial guard.

 

[Timo]

...Of course, those gowns were introduced back in TNG "Samaritan Snare" already.

Strange that Bashir didn't use one during his earlier surgical operations, such as the removal of Dax in "Invasive Procedures".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[plynch]

I bow to your memory, Timo. My wife and I have been watching DS9 in order and it (red cassock of doom) all of a sudden appears in season 6. (Unless I'm wrong.) It just does not look starfleet. (Which can be good.) More like from Captain Proton.