Data defeating Lore in his mind. Kind of stupid and cheesy

[urrutiap]

Crap like that you would expect to see in a supernatural movie or even in a comic book movie, but in Star Trek world the whole thing was kind of stupid and cheesy as to how Data defeated Lore like that.

What if Lore happens to come back again some other time. That trick wont work again the same way to get rid of Lore

 

[F. King Daniel]

How else do you depict two personalities at war in the same body? It looked cheap as shit compared to how the X-Men movies did mind war stuff, but I thought it was fine. Plus, Spot appeared so it's automatically a win.

 

[fireproof78]

but in Star Trek world the whole thing was kind of stupid and cheesy as to how Data defeated Lore like that.

Why? What makes Star Trek world so different? We see battles in the mind before. This one actually worked based on the known aspects of each character.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Was it also not pretty much how the ending went, with Picard talking to Jack after he plugged himself into the Borg?

 

[Dukhat]

What I’d like to know is what happened to Lore himself. Since Data deactivated him way back in TNG’s “Descent,” we don’t know his ultimate fate, unless they mentioned it somewhere and I wasn’t paying attention.

 

[StarMan]

It didn't really bother me. Out of all the season's numerous shortcomings, this one never even registered on my radar.

 

[Tomalak]

What I’d like to know is what happened to Lore himself. Since Data deactivated him way back in TNG’s “Descent,” we don’t know his ultimate fate, unless they mentioned it somewhere and I wasn’t paying attention.

I don't think it was mentioned. Soong obviously had a download of his brain, so I would assume he was disassembled and stored in the Evil Robot wing of Daystrom.

 

[at Quark's]

What I’d like to know is what happened to Lore himself. Since Data deactivated him way back in TNG’s “Descent,” we don’t know his ultimate fate, unless they mentioned it somewhere and I wasn’t paying attention.

Probably what happens to nearly all evil robots and computers. They're stored in a storage facility for future research, then forgotten about, and after a generation or so found by an unwitting kid that reactivates them.

 

[urrutiap]

I had a feeling that Data was up to something where he casually gave up Spot and some other trinket over to Lore like that. cheesy stuff like that like I said, its been done before in supernatural horror movies and something similar done in a comic book movie/tv show or even in Magicians on Netflix

 

[Tuskin38]

I thought it was a great scene.

 

[Oddish]

Liked it just fine. But if you don't, fine and dandy. There are people who didn't like "The Visitor", after all.

 

[Therin of Andor]

What I’d like to know is what happened to Lore himself. Since Data deactivated him way back in TNG’s “Descent,” we don’t know his ultimate fate, unless they mentioned it somewhere and I wasn’t paying attention.

In the novel, "Immortal Coil", Data had gathered in his lab the inert bodies of Juliana Tainer (recently deceased) and Lal, plus the disassembled Lore, and the three early prototypes Juliana had mentioned in "Inheritance". When "Nemesis" introduced the B-4, I had always hoped another sequel novel would have kept exploring possibilities. One of the short stories from the "Star Trek" Magazine had a "Star Trek Online" tie-in covering the reawakening of the B-4 and evolution of Captain Data, whom we see in the IDW "Countdown" prequel to the 2009 movie, IIRC.

 

[Mudd]

I had a feeling that Data was up to something where he casually gave up Spot and some other trinket over to Lore like that. cheesy stuff like that like I said, its been done before in supernatural horror movies and something similar done in a comic book movie/tv show or even in Magicians on Netflix

So what?

 

[Mage]

It made perfect sense. In that one TNG episode, with that silly strategy game, Data displayed an immense insight in understanding other people's strengths and weaknesses. Meaning he understood strategy.
He realized that Lore was all about having and needing. He literally used Lore's weakness against him, that Lore wanted to BE Data. If a similar scene was written for TNG, people would have called it fitting. Now they're just trying to find another way to say something negative against season 3, one year later. Because they can't accept they weren't given the 'perfect fanfic I wrote in my head and the studios need to realize I write better Star Trek'.

Ugh, these topics are getting boring.

 

[flandry84]

I really don’t see how else they could have depicted that scene.

 

[Oddish]

Ugh, these topics are getting boring.

The interesting ones always seem to get locked sooner or later.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Crap like that you would expect to see in a supernatural movie or even in a comic book movie, but in Star Trek world the whole thing was kind of stupid and cheesy as to how Data defeated Lore like that.

Star Trek isn't all that different from either of those. with its psychic powers, Katras and what not.

 

[Yistaan]

Crap like that you would expect to see in a supernatural movie or even in a comic book movie, but in Star Trek world the whole thing was kind of stupid and cheesy as to how Data defeated Lore like that.

What if Lore happens to come back again some other time. That trick wont work again the same way to get rid of Lore

Maybe it's best to explain what happened as some extremely complex positronic android stuff and the scenes we saw are how Data later described the situation to his friends after the fact, to give them something they can understand. Basically the "battle in the mind" scenes were artistic license for complex quantum mechanical positronic android calculations that are unfilmable.

 

[urrutiap]

well, what if Data's sneaky plan didn't work where Lore would have pretty much succeeded? then Picard and gang would be screwed big time where the Borg would end up winning with their weird Borg takeover during that Frontier Day or whatever it was called?

It made perfect sense. In that one TNG episode, with that silly strategy game, Data displayed an immense insight in understanding other people's strengths and weaknesses. Meaning he understood strategy.
He realized that Lore was all about having and needing. He literally used Lore's weakness against him, that Lore wanted to BE Data. If a similar scene was written for TNG, people would have called it fitting. Now they're just trying to find another way to say something negative against season 3, one year later. Because they can't accept they weren't given the 'perfect fanfic I wrote in my head and the studios need to realize I write better Star Trek'.

Ugh, these topics are getting boring.

 

[Mage]

well, what if Data's sneaky plan didn't work where Lore would have pretty much succeeded? then Picard and gang would be screwed big time where the Borg would end up winning with their weird Borg takeover during that Frontier Day or whatever it was called?

But it worked. Ofcourse it was going to work because they weren't going to kill Data off a third time. It's Star Trek, not a comic.