Damar and Weyoun...

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There have been many "relationships" on Trek from Kirk and Spock, To Geordi and Data, To Sisko and Dax ( at least Curzon and Jadzia) Tom and Harry. I never really got a chance to watch much of Enterprise so I can't comment on that series, one relationship if you could call it that was the one between Damar and Weyoun, not really friends, not really enemies. Just two people thrown into a situation, I for one really enjoyed seeing them go back and forth about everything from military tactics, to Damars fondness for Kanar, what about you...

Resistance is Futile

 

[ian_tee]

I loved the relationship. Weyoun's lack of respect for Damar, and Damar's barely-hidden distain for Weyoun. Great writing and acting.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You could almost see the fantasy bubble over Damar's head whenever Weyoun was in the room.. how many ways he would like to strangle him.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

That look is probably similar to the one I get when I have to go to Wal-Mart.

 

[jamestyler]

You could almost see the fantasy bubble over Damar's head whenever Weyoun was in the room.. how many ways he would like to strangle him.

I particularly loved the ep with Weyoun's defecting clone (the title of which escapes me right now) where we get the unsubtle hint that Damar killed one of the Weyoun's. It's probably my imagination, but I always sensed a smidgen of smugness in Damar when that was mentioned.

Plus when Worf killed a Weyoun I could just imagine Damar shaking his hand as he laughs.

I dd love seeing things from their perspectives as time went on and how it all added to Damars story. It reflected one of the things I liked about B5 (even though I slowly got bored of that show) as not everything happened on the station.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Ohhh yeah, the transporter "accident."

I just LOVED Damar suggesting the next Weyoun "go talk to Worf" again!

But one of my favorite lines from that time period was when Weyoun left the room after telling Damar that whatever was happening didn't concern him, and he lets off this very snide, "Of COURSE it doesn't!"

 

[Navaros]

Weyoun is absolutely brilliant in his interactions with anyone. Ie: Weyoun & Damar, Weyoun & Dukat, Weyoun & Sisko, Weyoun & Odo, Weyoun & Kira etc. etc. All pure gold.

There is pretty much no way to go wrong with Weyoun. The only thing the did wrong with him was to under-use him.

He's easily one of the very best characters and actors on DS9. He should have been part of the main cast. That could be said for many other secondary characters too.

 

[Marie1]

I liked the Damar/Weyoun stuff too, esp. that conversation where because there were Jem'Hadar present, Damar had to say that Cardassia belonged literally to the Dominion and had to make concession to the Breen, tho he didn't know what those concessions would be.

Also that Damar thought the Pah Wraith vs Prophets fight was interesting, and Weyoun took offense that they'd be "gods" since only the Founders were... or whatever he said.

I think the Founders would have been better off making the Vorta scientists and diplomats, and believing the Founders were their leaders, not their gods.

 

[jamestyler]

Also that Damar thought the Pah Wraith vs Prophets fight was interesting, and Weyoun took offense that they'd be "gods" since only the Founders were... or whatever he said.

"You believe the Founders arre Gods, don't you?"
"Thats different?"
"How?"
"...The Founders are Gods."

Followed by a defeated Damar... excellent stuff.

 

[Marie1]

^ I'd say more resigned... I mean, what would you say to that? Other than... Weyoun, you're an idiot... and then he'd die...

 

[SoM]

I think the Founders would have been better off making the Vorta scientists and diplomats, and believing the Founders were their leaders, not their gods.

Leaders can be overthrown. Gods are so far above their followers so as to be insurmountable (except to the Klingons - but then, the Vorta certainly aren't Klingons).

If you'll recall, the Founders were all about control.

 

[Ezri II]

I think the Founders would have been better off making the Vorta scientists and diplomats, and believing the Founders were their leaders, not their gods.

Leaders can be overthrown. Gods are so far above their followers so as to be insurmountable (except to the Klingons - but then, the Vorta certainly aren't Klingons).

If you'll recall, the Founders were all about control.

If you think you are a GOD and everyone thinks you are a GOD. How may I ask can you reform? Founders have been around 10,000 years and they are still only a warp drive society. Federation a warp drive society from the 21st century till the 23rd century with the 24th century with slipstream.

Gods do not want change, people like ourselves that know we make errors and want to make ourselves better are willing to improve the whole of society.

 

[SoM]

If you think you are a GOD and everyone thinks you are a GOD. How may I ask can you reform? Founders have been around 10,000 years and they are still only a warp drive society. Federation a warp drive society from the 21st century till the 23rd century with the 24th century with slipstream.

Gods do not want change, people like ourselves that know we make errors and want to make ourselves better are willing to improve the whole of society.

I.... don't know what you're talking about. The Founders DON'T want to reform, they DON'T want change of any sort (witness Odo's reaction to Jadzia moving his furniture a tiny bit on a lark, included to show it was a species instinct), and they DO believe they are always right.

 

[OldManDax]

I thought that the arc that the writers got out of their relationship - how it tested and stretched Damar, for instance - was inspired. But I also think the writers went well past the point of diminishing returns with it. It got to the point that by the time Damar made that fateful "resist" speech in "Changing Face of Evil", that I was struck by how UN-epic that scene felt, in spite of the deliberate camerawork showing the various reactions from the station crew and the Dominion. What should have been an emotionally wrenching scene with a "this-changes-everything" feel to it felt almost serviceable, largely b/c the writers DIDN'T previously exercise some reasonable restraint earlier in the season (and some of Season 6).

To me, the writers, from time time to time, got a little overly enamored of all these secondary characters and/or stories (while simultaneously losing sight of major characters, stories, and plot details). Weyoun (who's my second favorite recurring character, btw) and Damar were at times symptomatic of this.

 

[Marie1]

I think the Founders would have been better off making the Vorta scientists and diplomats, and believing the Founders were their leaders, not their gods.

Leaders can be overthrown. Gods are so far above their followers so as to be insurmountable (except to the Klingons - but then, the Vorta certainly aren't Klingons).

If you'll recall, the Founders were all about control.

If you think you are a GOD and everyone thinks you are a GOD. How may I ask can you reform? Founders have been around 10,000 years and they are still only a warp drive society. Federation a warp drive society from the 21st century till the 23rd century with the 24th century with slipstream.

Gods do not want change, people like ourselves that know we make errors and want to make ourselves better are willing to improve the whole of society.

I just meant that the Jem'Hadar are more useful for the most part then the Vorta, so having the Vorta control the Jem'Hadar causes problems that I don't think would happen if the Vorta were restricted. Granted, the Founders are about control, about order. But since they're failable- obediance doesn't always bring victory, the Founders are mortal... it seems like its something they should have considered... plus the "god" now telling them the Founders aren't gods...