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Cults, New Age and how our humanity is affected

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Ok, bare with me. I’m going to try and balance out this rant with some productive stuff that hopefully won't bore anyone. This will be rather long, but its purpose is the same as any on this board. Write, observe others opinions and contribute. So with that out of the way...

I do not like this Foundation for Inner Peace and new age bollocks. I feel it plays upon the human desires to be free of pain and struggle. I dislike the concepts of “ascension” and how we should all strive for inner happiness and spread love and compassion all around. You may think this is negative of me, but in actuality I’m about to create a reasonable argument. I argue that we as humans, need pain and struggle in order to survive. Pain reassures us that we are still human, it helps us mature and strengthens our psyche. Struggle inspires creativity to get out of the struggle, it opens us up to compromise and allows us to relate to each other.

There is a lot of bad shit in the World that really shouldn’t be there, but its all happened as a matter of circumstance and its not one person that’s caused it, WE have all caused it and it is only us as a collective that can solve it . Democracy is the only political system that has any evidence of being a success. Even though democracy at its core is a failure, people are happy to remain indifferent to it because it is the lesser of the evils. But I don’t want this to be about politics, this is about my criticism of new schools of thought, playing on human desires.

My motivation for laying waste to this “Foundation for Inner Peace” comes from a night I spent at a friend of a friends house. Throughout the evening he talked about all this nonsense related to his beliefs in what sounded like a cult religion. For every question posed, he had an answer. He brought almost every conversation back to his beliefs, which from a psychologists point of view might suggest classic egotism, however from my point of view it suggested investment into a cult. Unlike most cults, the theories (or should I say definitive’s, from his point of view) being tossed around were scientifically in nature. A lot of theorising about the universe and the classical theory that we are a universe formed inside of a microscopic particle that could be bacteria within a slice of a mouldy cheese in another universe’s, occupant’s fridge.

Several cults adopt science as a basis, quite possibly because those who have rejected conventional religions but are left seeking some fulfilment find a religion based on scientific principles appealing. But its when you really look at it, that you realise that science is only really a minor part of the organisation. These cults are purely ego, they believe that the only thing worth striving for is inner peace. They feel that by spreading love and compassion around and ignoring your natural human negativities that you are getting one step closer to inner peace.

I stated earlier that I believe negative emotions are paramount to survival of the human race. But what I will add is that these negative emotions should be delivered constructively and appropriately. I’m a man and like many men my instinctive urges are to bottle up my emotions for fear of showing weakness. Eventually they will overflow and I will release them all inappropriately in an angry manner. Many women on the other hand have higher emotional intelligence than men, they are accustomed to displaying emotion at appropriate times and not letting them overwhelm them. That is why women as a rule, are usually more psychologically stable than men.

Anyway I’m diverting from the topic here. We as humans desire a lot of things, but we know that many of our desires are just not possible. Some people desire to read minds, others desire to be the happiest person in the World. These are just desires, we cannot attain some of these desires and therefore it is pointless to seek them out, because until there is a practical method of reading minds or the ability to take a pill that makes you the happiest person in the World. These things just won’t happen. I understand and fully subscribe to the notion that its healthy to have such desires, again these desires shape us and help us understand ourselves. What I argue is that we should not be seeking inner peace, because it is not something we can accomplish. Experiencing the negatives is what makes us who we are, we need challenges to survive and by subscribing to the notion that inner peace will allow us to survive is foolish. You may ask me what I think about Buddhism, I think it’s a healthy way of life and a great way for some people to balance out their emotions and learn discipline. But at no point does Buddhism go off the rails and deny the fundamentals of the human condition. The Dalai Lama is quoted as saying that “if there was a pill to stop anger, I would be the first to take it”. The religious leader of a religion based on happiness and peace fully accepts he is human and cannot wipe out his negative emotions through any spiritual or mental methods. What many people seem to miss also is that Buddhism is about balance, its not about being a completely happy and peaceful meditator, its about accepting your humanity, balancing it out and striving to be a better person. Whilst it doesn’t appeal to me as something to take on as a way of life, its philosophy is clear and about accepting your humanity as a fundamental principle.

So I think I’ve said enough on this. Everything I’ve said here is my personal opinion and at no point do I want you all to accept it as the truth and admit that I’m right. I want people to form their own opinions and not subscribe to anything I’ve said unless you already believe such things. I’ve always been quite outspoken on cults, even though I’m in my early 20’s its been something that’s perplexed and trouble me from an early age. Whilst maybe I've taken it too far in the respect that I've labeled some of this new age stuff as trying to redefine and perhaps deny humanity, I really think that these ways of thinking can do a lot of damage and take away many of the things that make us human. We need negativity to encourage positivity after all. Its just like a battery, there is no current unless there is opposite balance, yin and yang and all that!

Thoughts?
 
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You're acting like cults are some bizarre new fad that people are taking up for no discernible reason other than "I this one guy doing it on TV, I want to join a cult and be cool, just like them!". Negative emotions may indeed be required for the survival of the human race, but consider this as well: people don't like feeling like shit!

But before diving in to all of the things you said about negative emotion, let's talk about the implications of not believing in a religion. When you die, you're dead. There will be no afterlife, no reward for a lifetime of struggle, no Heaven, no eternal enlightenment, no endless parade of virgins or reuniting with passed loved ones. You sit in the dark and get eaten by worms, or your ashes spread on the winds. Nothing you do will matter to you in time, because you'll be gone. Can you see how a religion, or a cult, or whatever they call themselves, makes everything infinitely less depressing?

Now that I have that part out of the way, let's talk about negative emotions.

Experiencing the negatives is what makes us who we are, we need challenges to survive and by subscribing to the notion that inner peace will allow us to survive is foolish.
Although there are jerks in the world, most people don't enjoy being angry, or sad or frustrated. They don't like crying because their girlfriend broke up with them, they don't like standing in line at the cash register because the person in front wants to make small-talk with the cashier, they don't like blowing up and yelling at everyone, assuming they are healthy people.

Imagine you're sad, for whatever reason, so soul-crushingly sad that you can't even pick yourself up from your jacuzzi of tears. And then, suddenly, this wise figure comes into your life! He teaches you a better way. He tells you that you don't have to be sad; you can learn to be totally calm about everything, and you'll never feel anger, or conflict, or sadness again. Doesn't that sound appealing? You won't drink yourself into a coma to avoid having to think about how depressed you are. You won't blow up at your boss and get fired. You'll be just like Spock, all logic- all the time.

Humans hate struggling. That's why we have elevators, escalators, wireless Internet, cell phones, and agriculture. So, your quiet friend offers you a way to permanently remove all conflict from your life. Can you see the appeal?
 
Ok, bare with me. I’m going to try and balance out my intellectual rantings with layman’s style content.
Well, gee, I hope you didn't use too many big words. We dullards might not understand.



Thoughts?

I'm honestly not sure what kind of point you're trying to make here. Common sense tells me that cults are bad. I also don't think that happiness and compassion are mutually exclusive from pain and suffering. We're human. It takes all manner of experience to make us whole.

I hate to quote Deanna Troi, but..."it's what we do with those feelings that makes them good or bad."
 
@RoJoHen I did intend for the "balancing out intellectual rantings with layman's style content" comment to be taken as a joke and for me to try and use language that won't bore everyone. The point is as it says, I was arguing that negativity is a part of who we are and striving for inner peace is not the way.

@itisnotlogical My point wasn't about people not enjoying feeling negative emotions, it was about how negative emotions and embracing these as part of our humanity inspire us to be better people. You say that people don't like feeling like shit, that's natural. I don't like feeling like shit, but I need it and so does everyone else because it makes us better people. Thats my realistic view on it and trust me if there was a way to always be happy I'd be up for it just as much as the next person, but its not possible so its better to embrace what we are and enjoy the challenges.

Obviously I knew this sort of post is likely to attract a tremendous amount of varied views and opinions. I'm all for it, but this isn't about everyone arguing with me, its about me expressing my opinion that balance and embracing humanity is more beneficial than striving for inner peace and being lured into cult religions and fads that promote that concept.
 
its about me expressing my opinion that balance and embracing humanity is more beneficial than striving for inner peace and being lured into cult religions and fads that promote that concept.

I just think it's weird that you think that this is a unique opinion. I'd wager that most people understand this. That's why cults are cults and not major religions. They attract a very minimal percentage of society.
 
I just think it's weird that you think that this is a unique opinion. I'd wager that most people understand this. That's why cults are cults and not major religions. They attract a very minimal percentage of society.

I'm not talking "Scientology" kind of cults, not the whole negative press ones. I'm talking more or less cults that are closer in description to a "cult movie". I describe new age ways of thinking as cults because they appeal to a small minority of people, but at the same time they are just prominant enough to ensure you know at least one or two people who follow them.

Its not a unique opinion that this kind of stuff is "bad". But I wanted to reason why I think its bad. I wanted to show why I think all this "positive energy" crap and the like has the potential to screw with people's humanity. As I've said, I think that balance is key and accepting who you are as a person by embracing your humanity is the only way to becoming a better person. Positivity can only get you so far if you are constantly trying to keep up this "inner peace" stuff.
 
I feel like you're describing hippies.

I must know the wrong kind of people. All of my friends are either Catholics or Atheists. :lol:
 
Well, like I said its any new age religion or cult that subscribes to the notion of positivity and love and compassion above all else.
 
I know what you said, but I have never encountered such a group. I certainly don't know anyone who is a member, or if I do, they have kept it quiet.

I guess I still don't really understand the point you're making. Preaching love and compassion does not negate the value of suffering. These things can be tools for overcoming suffering and, in fact, bettering yourself and others. It sounds like you want to encourage pain and conflict so that we are forced to overcome it and better ourselves. I am reminded of a certain Babylon 5 villain.
 
There will always be pain. Attempting to free oneself from as much pain as possible is a worthwhile goal. To do so while trying to free others is noble. Regardless of what one believes in as one's religion, more happiness, peace and compassion should be a reasonable goal for all people.
 
Well, like I said its any new age religion or cult that subscribes to the notion of positivity and love and compassion above all else.

That sounds pretty good, actually. Focusing on these things doesn't mean things like pain don't exist. Compassion can do amazing things.
 
Well, like I said its any new age religion or cult that subscribes to the notion of positivity and love and compassion above all else.

That sounds pretty good, actually. Focusing on these things doesn't mean things like pain don't exist. Compassion can do amazing things.

Exactly. Compassion can be the soothing balm on a broken heart.
 
Well, damn those Hippies and their positive, constructive approach to life. :rommie:

The main things I derive from your post is that you're confused about the difference between life's tribulations and negativism and that you're a chauvinist. Having, or striving for, inner peace doesn't mean avoiding hardships. That would be impossible. Inner peace means being better equipped to deal with life. And complaining about people who promote love and compassion just makes you sound like Archie Bunker.

The whole purpose of civilization is to give people a better life.
 
@itisnotlogical My point wasn't about people not enjoying feeling negative emotions, it was about how negative emotions and embracing these as part of our humanity inspire us to be better people. You say that people don't like feeling like shit, that's natural. I don't like feeling like shit, but I need it and so does everyone else because it makes us better people. Thats my realistic view on it and trust me if there was a way to always be happy I'd be up for it just as much as the next person, but its not possible so its better to embrace what we are and enjoy the challenges.

People don't always behave in a way consistent with reality, either. That's why lottery tickets are so popular. No matter how slim the chance, even if they're proven wrong time and again, they'll reach for that non-existent pie-in-the-sky. People envy celebrities, despite several examples that the celebrity lifestyle often leads to drug abuse, spiraling depression and an early death. But people don't like to think about sad things like that, so they envy the perfectly-chiseled gods and goddesses who seem to make money because of the fact that they already have more money than a human being could possibly need.
 
I’m going to try and balance out my intellectual rantings with layman’s style content.

That is without a doubt the most condescending line I have ever read here.

Are the numerous spelling and punctuation errors in the post -- or rather in the small portion of it that I could tolerate reading -- your idea of "layman's style"?
 
None of what I posted was meant to be condescending in the slightest. I maybe worded a couple of things wrong so therefore I've corrected it.

Once again I will state that this is just my opinion and feelings and I'm not asking or demanding people accept it as the "truth". I didn't make this thread for criticism or to even make a point. I made it so I could share my feelings on this particular subject and see how everyone else thinks.

Since this has resulted in nothing but criticism and personal attacks upon me, largely due to the misunderstanding of the way I worded certain things. I feel obliged to request this thread is deleted and we just all forget about it. I am British, I come from a culture where self deprecation, light teasing and bluntness is part of how we communicate. The differences are clear, in the UK we will get snotty about people more successful than us, where in the USA you will be congratulatory of people who are successful. Despite both of us sharing a very similar culture, we obviously still have a long way to go. I think this may be where I've gone wrong a couple of times here and I apologise for that.
 
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