Could Uhura be Spock's future wife?

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  1. Jayson1

    Jayson1 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    We know Spock will someday get married from the ep "Sarek" on TNG but we don't know who. does anyone kind of like the idea that our Spock and our Uhura also eventually fell in love and got married? Of course part me also likes the idea of that person being Savvik and also another twisted part who wants it to be Burnham.


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  2. StefanM

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    "A son of Sarek" married. It doesn't have to be Spock. Maybe he had another young (human?) wife after Amanda, and they had a son together.
    Uhura woukd have been over 100 years, so it's hard to believe. Same with Burnham. Saavik (who was planned to be pregnant with Spock's child) would be more realistic.
     
  3. Sareesataka

    Sareesataka Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I never thought Uhura and Spock would make a good couple and the JJ movies confirmed it. Spock and Uhura's relationship was best as professionals. I thought Scotty and Uhura had some possibilities but even that was a bit of a stretch for me.
     
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  4. FormerLurker

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    That would be Perrin.
     
  5. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Since it's obviously not Sybok, and Sarek has no other sons, it MUST be Spock.

    That said, I like the idea that it's Saavik he marries.
     
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    He didn't have another son before ST:V, nor a "daughter" before Discovery began. We can't canonically exclude additional kids, especially ones born after ST:V.
     
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  7. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Actually, yes we can. We just can't canonically include them.

    Any sons (or daughters) who aren't specifically mentioned in dialogue, by definition, do not exist.

    Therefore, the son of Sarek whose wedding Picard could have attended, must therefore be Spock.
     
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    That look between them during the lyre and singing scene in Charlie X.. yeah.. there was something there.
     
  9. Malaika

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    Well, Nyota Uhura must be in the kelvin timeline, at least ; )
    Hopefully, this round Spock doesn't need to have all his hair white by then..

    Maybe Kurtzman should retcon a tos Spock/Uhura thing in Discovery to sort of avenge Nimoy a bit since he liked s/u in the reboot and was jealous of Zachary, lol
    Original Spock really got the short end of the stick in the movies.

    There definitely were some hints in tos because tptb had tried to set it up from the get go. You never got the romance, but you still got the subtext that the writers had toyed with the idea originally without being ever allowed to truly do something with it (aside from the usual examples, one underrated moment is the one where Kollos outed the fact that Spock saw Kirk and Bones as friends AND he found Uhura beautiful, read Byron thinking about her and he looked for the meaning of her name in her African language)
    Those were the 60s, and even if Nimoy played an alien it would still be an interracial couple on tv thus controversial. Hence it was dropped before they could even really develop it.
    Spock was a bit doomed by the 'hero's nerdy sidekick' trope too and how this kind of characters were treated by the narrative. He even was the one who originally kissed Uhura in that infamous episode but Shatner made them change it...

    The tos inspiration is the reason why the reboot was a nice 'what if' surprise. It made sense, to me, that characters who were attracted to each other in the original too could have a relationship in another reality where they met under different circumstances, like kelvin s/u effectively did. It is one of the best innovations of JJ's trek.

    If there is any woman who makes sense for Spock it has always been Uhura for me.
    For one, I can see them genuinely liking each other and being friends, connect through some common interests (like him teaching her to play the Vulcan lyre)..and then the romantic feelings naturally developing from mutual attraction and deep respect. Personality-wise, she is the kind of woman who would never worship Spock or want to save him from his alieneness like Chapel did.
    Uhura seems, in both versions, to matter-of-fact accept Spock for who he is. She never treats him as a freak to pity because poor guy, he is alien. He isn't a 'prize' for her.
    The first movie showed that perfectly: she hugs him when she knows he needs her (and in fact, he instantly embraces her back in the turbolift) but still asks him 'what he needs' and she accepts that logic gives him comfort TOO in that moment. Later, after he almost killed Kirk they share this look full of meaning before he leaves the bridge and you can tell she wants to comfort him there too but she also knows that he needs to be alone and accepts that. When he gets back, she smiles at him and she's proud of him like she knew, because she knows him, that he could make it.

    Accepting him doesn't mean she justifies all his bad decisions and flaws on his alieneness, though. In fact, she has agency in her relationship so she can have scenes where she's tender with him and understanding, but she also has no issues calling him out on his bs when he hurts her and their friends, and unlike Mccoy she never makes it a 'you are vulcan, we are humans' kind of thing. She treats him like a person, she doesn't want to teach him human. He already is part human anyway.
    However, she doesn't let that Spock hide in his delusions like tos Spock did. She doesn't need him to fill the weird alien role to make her seem more human and 'normal'. She inspires him to be more honest with himself, again not because she teaches him human but because 1) he is part human too 2) she knows that the urban legend about vulcans not having feelings is bs.

    In the kelvin timeline SHE has Spock wrapped around her finger.
    By beyond, that guy seems to still have a crush on his girlfriend of YEARS and the funny thing is they don't need to truly make him so ooc to show that. He's a Spock who happens to also be in love.. and he's way less pretentious about it than a lot of male characters from this genre often are in their romances. I don't need the subtitles to see his feelings. It's simple.

    I think the movies managed to give us a relationship that is authentic and sweet without being the be all end all of the story. This is something tos didn't allow us to get, it was one of their limits.
    And I don't see how a romantic relationship makes the characters less 'professional' than how the guys are written in the bromances, frankly. That's just blatant double standards people have for a different relationship for everything they give the bros a pass for (eg Mccoy scenes). Trek wasn't a doc about the army, it's too late for fans to want the characters to only be professional colleagues when it's 50+ years now that we celebrate their unprofessional friendships.
    It's comical that some trek fans will preach about 'depth' and poetic cinema when a guy is constantly attacking another male character while they are both on duty (and said male character may be the acting captain), using the friendship element to give them both a pass, yet the same want to harpy on the one time a female character called her boyfriend out on his shit.
    Uhura is consistently written as one of the most competent and professional characters, especially when compared to McCoy, Kirk and Scotty (and, at times, Spock himself!)


    I think the deliberate subtext in the line about Sarek's son is that it's Spock.
    The writers wanted you to think that was Spock.
    The idea they could refer to a son whose existence we don't even know about is 100% valid too, but it also is a tad more far fetched than simply assuming he is talking about the only son we know Sarek had. That and the fact that the line honestly has less a reason to exist if it isn't also a subtle nod to a character that tos fans would know about and thus go 'did they just..?'.

    Besides, it could be a nod to something Roddenberry said once about how he had wanted Spock to eventually get married if the show had gone past the third season.
    I think he didn't want him to end up alone and had wanted to give him more closure.
    But the movies didn't honour that; they made them all old and alone, married to their jobs. It's the one thing I hated about the tos movies. Even with Kirk, they give him a son out of nowhere but of course kill him asap.
    There was always something missing in the original crew, and to me it's the added layer of actually having an ongoing personal life that matters and isn't disposable.
    Making these characters so defined by their jobs only, turning male friendship into the be all end all of representation of the interpersonal relationships... that stuff is, honestly, silly. Not to mention limited, childish narrative and not realistic. Not for our world, let alone the reality trek is supposed to decipt.


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    That said, I don't like the idea of him marrying Saavik because he really was like a father figure to her, and I don't think the fact she helped young Spock through pon farr is a good foundation for romance, tbh. I'm glad they dropped the pregnancy subplot because it would put her in a very difficult situation after helping a friend, it was problematic.
    The novelization also implied a romance between her and David Kirk so Spock would look like a rebound she's forced to marry only because she helped him through pon farr.

    If tos Spock were to get married, I want him to marry someone he actually is in love with and who loves him back, otherwise it is useless. I don't see the point and how it would represent an evolution for the character if he were to just settle.
    And, unfortunately, unlike kelvin Spock he didn't have a developed romantic relationship in canon (slash fanfictions aside) so it's hard for me to care about the possibility he got married at one point IF they don't show me that relationship.
     
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  10. teacake

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    I don't think they get married. I think it worked for his youth in the Kelvin timeline but will not work when he's older and certainly won't work for Uhura. She is a lively, lively woman and she doesn't need to marry a Vulcan. Amanda was very refined and seemed to enjoy being very .. collected. You couldn't picture Amanda doing a strip dance with the moon behind her to distract the bad guys.
     
  11. Jayson1

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    Oh I think Spock would be a much better more open than Sarek. He's no Herbert after all. Of course it just now came to me he could have also married Doctor Chappell.

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  12. Malaika

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    I can't picture kelvin Uhura doing that, either. Just like I can't picture her using a dictionary to translate klingon.

    Uhura seems refined and collected too..she could rival a vulcan at times and so far, dating one has worked for her just fine and not with more complications than dating a fully human guy. The relationship issues weren't really about him being a vulcan but more the fact he was essentially dealing with ptsd post vulcan diaspora and that exacerbated his conflict.

    And Spock isn't just vulcan, he is human too. People always forget that (or remember he's human only when they want to justify him being emotional with his friends ), and they also forget that the vulcans themselves DO have feelings even more than the humans ..they just express them more in private. In fact, few seem to even realise that the way Spock acted with Uhura on the transport pad might be a glimpse of a side of him that he only shows in private. She surely didn't look surprised by his affection..
    But then again, Uhura is a rational person. I don't think she needs a clingy cheesy boyfriend. I could see her preferring to spend the night in the long range sensors lab rather than necessarily be on a date with her boyfriend. They are different enough to complement each other but they also are birds of a feather, IMO.

    I'm not sure why getting older would change Spock so much or make him stop to be the way he has been so far with her (all things considered, affectionate and respectful of her needs). If I were to use Spock Prime to get a hint, he seems to get even more mellow and emotional with age.
    In fact, tos Spock was more closed off when he was younger.. it's with age that he got better at accepting his feelings. Kelvin Spock is already there because his emotional development was accelerated, why should he go backwards and have an involution? It wouldn't make any sense with his character arc in 3 movies.

    Yes, Uhura is no Amanda and Spock is no Sarek.
    They are better.
     
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  13. Dukhat

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    We don't know that Sarek didn't have any other sons, since apparently we never knew he had a foster daughter either. He might have had a son with Perrin.

    In the prime timeline, Spock and Uhura weren't even remotely interested in each other. So I doubt they would have gotten married.
     
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    Nah, Uhura gets together with Scotty in Prime, leading to... Tryla Scott, the youngest captain in history in TNG "Conspiracy"
     
  15. Malaika

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    How old Spock would be when young Picard attended his wedding? Too lazy to do the math. .
    Picard said later that he had met Spock too, but he didn't say when. That too was taken by many as a nod he was the Sarek' son whose wedding he went to.

    Since they never got together on the ship, nor they were interested, and the only hint of romance was in stv when a 50 something Uhura wasn't even herself and then they never talked about it anymore (for some reason, Nichols seemed to be adamant that they were just friends and nothing could ever happen between them) . . I dunno.
    And I mean, I don't know what's the age limit to have kids in the future so I guess that wouldn't be an issue if she was interested.
     
  16. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Sure, another relative can be shown or spoken about later, but until that happens, it's irrelevant.

    Unlikely. We would have seen him.
     
  17. Dukhat

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    No more irrelevant than assuming it's Spock.

    We would have? Why? When?
     
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  18. Jayson1

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    Well I could see Spock and Uhura falling love after bonding over their pain of KIrk's death in "Generations."

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  19. Dukhat

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    I think it would be more likely that McCoy and Spock would fall in love after Generations than Uhura and Spock.
     
  20. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Thete is evidence that it’s Spock, because we’ve met him. There is NO evidence it’s anyone else.