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Spoilers Could it be that we actually already saw 32nd century Klingons, without realizing it?

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Yeah, I don't think that guy was even part Klingon. They really went to great lengths to keep those guys out of the 32nd century. Perhaps we'll see one in the Academy show?
 
That's just a dude with some jewelry on his head.
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Unimatrix Q said:
Finally started watching Season 5 and during the Federation Council scene in "Jinaal" I couldn't help myself wondering if this guy may have actually been a Klingon:

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/epics/DSC-S5/S5E3/JPEG/DSC-S5E3-283.jpg

Reminded me strongly on the TUC Klingons...
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The hand signal, is Vulcan sign language. It translates to "Die now in poverty!" so yes I think the Klingons may have won a war against the Vulcans and diddled through the survivors like a sex buffet.
 
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It’s interesting to me how this show really went out of its way to avoid addressing Klingons. In fact, there was a four year period where we saw no Klingons in live action until S3 PIC and SNW S2 brought them back the same year. I always suspected this was in part production wanting to take a break from them after how fans reacted to their depiction in DISCO. It came off to me as Kurtzman productions taking their ball and going home. “You don’t like Glenn Hetrick’s Klingons? Fine! No more Klingons!”

We got to see what was up with the Breen, Romulans, even a brief appearances of a Changeling, Cardassians, and so on. But Klingons? Nope.
 
MakeshiftPython said:
It’s interesting to me how this show really went out of its way to avoid addressing Klingons. In fact, there was a four year period where we saw no Klingons in live action until S3 PIC and SNW S2 brought them back the same year. I always suspected this was in part production wanting to take a break from them after how fans reacted to their depiction in DISCO. It came off to me as Kurtzman productions taking their ball and going home. “You don’t like Glenn Hetrick’s Klingons? Fine! No more Klingons!”

We got to see what was up with the Breen, Romulans, even a brief appearances of a Changeling, Cardassians, and so on. But Klingons? Nope.
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exactly. “You don’t like seeing our Apex Predator Klingons with oblong heads and 2 dicks. Then fine we’ll give you the rubber foreheads for SNW but for Disco…no soup for you.”

lol.
 
MakeshiftPython said:
If 32nd century Klingons showed up on DISCO with the same makeup style as SNW, I don’t think anyone would be upset over that.
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I would. The SNW Klingons look like shit. This is where someone says "NOPE!" to my Controversial Opinion. But nonetheless. They look cheaper than TOS Movie or TNG Klingons, despite the makeup probably being more expensive. Cue the "No it's not!" "Yes it is!" back-and-forth. To whoever wants to do that (I know there are at least some of you out there), let's not and pretend we did.

Worf in Picard Season 3. That's the Klingon look done right in the Kurtzman Era. If they had that in Discovery, then I definitely wouldn't have complained.

I mostly like what they had in DSC Season 2 as well. They were almost there. If they got rid of the overly-elaborate necks, and got rid of the third and fourth nostrils, it would've been golden.
 
MakeshiftPython said:
It’s interesting to me how this show really went out of its way to avoid addressing Klingons. In fact, there was a four year period where we saw no Klingons in live action until S3 PIC and SNW S2 brought them back the same year. I always suspected this was in part production wanting to take a break from them after how fans reacted to their depiction in DISCO. It came off to me as Kurtzman productions taking their ball and going home. “You don’t like Glenn Hetrick’s Klingons? Fine! No more Klingons!”

We got to see what was up with the Breen, Romulans, even a brief appearances of a Changeling, Cardassians, and so on. But Klingons? Nope.
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I think it's important to note that while Glenn Hetrick was kept on as Disco's makeup head through the entire run of the show (a rarity, considering turnover BTS), his designs seem to have had zero pull anywhere else in modern Trek. Each of the makeup departments just did its own thing, which, for the most part, meant hewing closer to historic Trek makeup (and not using so many ridiculous full-face masks).

In the end, I think basically all of the ultra-elaborate Disco designs will be memory holed.
 
fireproof78 said:
Yes, I would be upset. The treatment of the make up for the Klingons is so painfully annoying. You have an actual alien look and the only answer is...do less.

Sad.
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They should've saved the alien look for some other aliens.

The fact that the producers thought it was a good idea to reimagine the Klingons after 11 seasons with Worf as a lead and 7 with B'Elanna still blows my mind. I don't mind them doing wild retcons with species that only showed up a couple of times, especially if I barely remember them, but once an alien race makes it to main character status, that's it, that makeup is locked in.
 
Ray Hardgrit said:
They should've saved the alien look for some other aliens.

The fact that the producers thought it was a good idea to reimagine the Klingons after 11 seasons with Worf as a lead and 7 with B'Elanna still blows my mind. I don't mind them doing wild retcons with species that only showed up a couple of times, especially if I barely remember them, but once an alien race makes it to main character status, that's it, that makeup is locked in.
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Bryan Fuller was the one who wanted the redesign of the klingons and by the time Alex Kurtzman took over the reigns it was too late to change the make up. This is why from Season 2, when Alex Kurtzman is fully in control, the klingon make-up starts hewing closer to previous iterations and the Klingon ships seen in the first season are immediately replaced with the K'tinga style D7's.
 
fireproof78 said:
Yes, I would be upset. The treatment of the make up for the Klingons is so painfully annoying. You have an actual alien look and the only answer is...do less.

Sad.
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Should we also change the look of Vulcans just to make them look more even alien than traditionally Elvish?
Ray Hardgrit said:
They should've saved the alien look for some other aliens.

The fact that the producers thought it was a good idea to reimagine the Klingons after 11 seasons with Worf as a lead and 7 with B'Elanna still blows my mind. I don't mind them doing wild retcons with species that only showed up a couple of times, especially if I barely remember them, but once an alien race makes it to main character status, that's it, that makeup is locked in.
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Bingo.

It’s bizarre to alter them in a way that is so drastic, like S1 strongly depicting them as naturally bald with “sensors” on their heads. Besides, they had already been changed once 40 years prior and aside from a few adjustments to the look it had remained fairly consistent. Even the one featured in INTO DARKNESS looked like a variation of established Klingons (ridge piercings aside), and the makeup designer on that film went to great lengths to not use masks so to let the actors still perform, which I thought Hetrick had failed, obscuring the Disco Klingon actors with a reliance on facial masks.
 
really for Disco Seasons 1-2 we should have seen a mix of TOS/S4 ENT Klingons and the TMP-Nemesis versions.

if you want to use the bald, oblong headed Klingons with 4 nostrils for the 32nd Century version…that might could work.
 
fireproof78 said:
The difference being that Klingons were changed multiple times.
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One drastic change with TMP, and a few minor adjustments over the next 25 years, including, strangely, Worf’s own head after S1. Nothing as drastic as “they now have FOUR nostrils”.

And then there’s what it does to the actors, whose faces are completely covered up in masks that it limits their expressions, having to wear these crazy chompers that make it even more difficult for them to enunciate their dialogue. If this makeup design was for a mindless army of orcs, that would be fine. I cannot imagine Robert Wisdom as Dak’Rah giving as good of a performance with that kind of makeup in SNW.

But what’s done is done. They tried to reinvent the Klingons and it didn’t play well to the point that they decided to just not address them ever again after S2. If Glenn Hetrick is brought back he can at least create new aliens, though I prefer they don’t bring him back at all given his preference for facial masks. I definitely wasn’t a fan of the revamped Orions in S3 that gave Janet Kidder rubbery looking face that took me out more than anything, when they could have just used face paint.
 
MakeshiftPython said:
Nothing as drastic as “they now have FOUR nostrils”.
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No, just an 8 chambered heart and multiple redundant systems.

MakeshiftPython said:
And then there’s what it does to the actors, whose faces are completely covered up in masks that it limits their expressions, having to wear these crazy chompers that make it even more difficult for them to enunciate their dialogue. If this makeup design was for a mindless army of orcs, that would be fine. I cannot imagine Robert Wisdom as Dak’Rah giving as good of a performance with that kind of makeup in SNW.
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And that's a modification I don't mind. The whole binning it in the name of Klingon consistency is absurd because they were not that consistent. Even in the same story like TUC. Where's all the explanations for those changes that apparently are no big deal?
 
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