Spoilers Control?!?!
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Yeah I have seen this too and I'm not excited about ANY link between shows..........but I will wait and see how it plays out.FFS!
Please someone tell me this is wrong:
I didn’t go frame by frame myself, I found this on YouTube and I know YouTube is not best source of information... Please tell me Oh’s future vision is not linked to Control from Discovery. Please, pretty please...
Until it's directly confirmed to be connected, I'll say they just wanted to include some generic doomsday footage and Spock's vision from DSC has already been rendered so it was convenient. Not unlike how Tuvok's violent visions from Random Thoughts were lifted from Event Horizon. But again, as we don't quite know what it is yet, let's wait and see.
I find it hard to believe they would just re-use footage like that. This show has a larger budget than Voyager.
I hoped we left behind re-using stock footage days. If it is just stock footage, then it's lazy. If it's not actually stock footage and it is supposed to be represent the same future as seen in Discovery (which was caused by Control), then damn..
The implication is that Discovery created Control which destroyed the future. Zhat Vash thousands of years ago, has somehow learned of this future, figured out it was AI related, and started hunting anything AI/synthetic related. And they were possibly responsible for destruction of Mars fleet, maybe destruction of Romulus star itself and who knows what else. So all this, all the crap that happened, is all USS Discovery's fault. Wrap your head around that...
I'm not sure I follow how the USS Discovery created Control. Wasn't it Section 31's AI? Or are you referring to Discovery opening the time rift that allowed Future Control to come to the past, hack Airiam and use her to merge the Sphere data with the 23rd century Control to ensure its own existence in the bad future?
Yeah, I don't remember the exact details (I didn't watch any Discovery episode more than once), but my impression was that Control became dangerous when Discovery sent that probe thing into the time rift and Control from future came to the past. My impression is that THIS is what caused the destruction in the future, by Control becoming much stronger in the past because of Discovery.
Ugh. No thanks. It already feels like a small universe sometimes already.
If the two series are interconnected somehow, I'd say the most probable person from whom ancient Vulcans could learn about Control and the bad future would be Gabrielle Burnham... either at the beginning, as she experiments with the time suit's capabilities and accidentally ends up on Vulcan in the past, or after she got unstuck in time and disappeared into the time rift. Without saying anything about Picard being connected to the Control plot (I'm not dreading the possibility, it mostly gets a disinterested shrug from me), I'd hate it if Michael Burnham's search for her mother was resolved in PIC by outright stating she irrevocably got lost in the past. But this is all speculation, really... at any rate, I can definitely see her appearing on ancient Vulcan, perhaps gravely wounded, and a bunch of Vulcans would find her and mind-meld with her, seeing all kinds of horrifying imagery about an evil AI exterminating all life.
I'd like it personally, but I know many viewers would feel it too contrived and shoehorned into the plot just to connect the two series.
I'd like it personally, but I know many viewers would feel it too contrived and shoehorned into the plot just to connect the two series.
Interesting... I didn't make this connection mostly because I figured there had to be something in the future that modified the probe and sent it back. Granted, the temporal distortion might have done all kinds of weird things to the probe, but I didn't think it could've given him sentience/sapience.
For better or for worse, the folks in charge cannot resist connecting the dots to past and present series. Most fans seem overjoyed with the nostalgic connections, but we'll see if the joy keeps rolling on if they do make this direct connection to Control and DSC. For me, it would make PIC season 1 feel a bit more like an extra chapter of DSC season 2.
That’s funny; when I mentioned that Oh might be from the Mirror universe because of the scene with the sunglasses (and that she might even be a descendant of Emperor Georgiou), I was told that there wasn’t going to be any crossovers with other series. Is that not true?
The fact that we are even hypothetically linking the two shows together, is giving me the chills. Even if these two visions are not related, we still have major plot points from both Discovery and Picard revolving around Vulcans seeing the future destroyed in their visions.
I think it would be a terrible idea. But if it had to happen, I'd prefer this be a damp squib - a misunderstood memory of what might have been which was somehow passed from Spock back to the ancient Romulans - rather than another "AI could destroy the galaxy" story,
Having, say, assorted divine creatures across the galaxy be related is "small universe" - but having assorted UFP-designed AIs be related is just sort of expected. After all, all those AIs are by default extremely compatible, sharing a platform by extending their influence to all sorts of UFP systems. Them at some point merging into a single monster is basically inevitable...
That said, I hope not.
Timo Saloniemi
That said, I hope not.
Timo Saloniemi
That would be a first in Trek. Good thing the fans have been more level headed about that.
