Consider Orgainia.

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  1. Thanos007

    Thanos007 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I'm pretty sure they never mention the Orgainians again after Errand of Mercy but that episode is a pretty big deal. Why did they never deal with it? Offer up an explanation for why war with the Klingons was possible. I know they RL reasons...Drama! but if they are gonna address the different looking Klingons and such why not this?
     
  2. uniderth

    uniderth Commodore Commodore

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    It was mentioned again in "The Trouble With Tribbles".
     
  3. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    And the Organians themselves were featured in an Enterprise episode. As for why they never interfered with other hostilities between the Federation and the Klingons, the only reason they interfered in Errand of Mercy was because their homeworld was part of the battlefield. As long as that wasn't the case, they don't give a shit.
     
  4. Thanos007

    Thanos007 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Trouble with Tribles would suggest other wise.
     
  5. Timo

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    How so? There was no Organian involvement there whatsoever.

    At best, we might think the Feds and Klingons decided to make lemonade of the fact that their glorious war had been aborted, and signed between themselves this Organian Treaty that allows both sides to escalate further and thus win the next one. But obviously it isn't being enforced in any way, because the Klingons keep doing nasty things without consequences, such as in "Trouble with Tribbles".

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  6. Zeppster

    Zeppster Commodore Commodore

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    They seemed to say that there was peace between both forces at the end of Errand of Mercy but maybe it was a temporary treaty? And the Organians warned them to stay away from their planet for both sides and it was basically a banned planet? They did tend to ignore a lot of stuff in TOS though.
     
  7. Timo

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    The Organians made no promises at the end of "Errand of Mercy".

    Instead, they made predictions, which involved further casualties. About this, they did not seem to care one way or the other. It's just how things were, and would be. The Organians would have no part in it, as they felt totally disgusted by both the Feds and the Klingons, and made it clear they would have no further dealings with either - with an implicit "or else!" there...

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    Kang refers to a years-long (?) treaty the Klingons have honored "to the letter" in "Day of the Dove." I always took that to be a reference to the Organian Peace Treaty. For what that's worth!
     
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    The Federation goes from major war to cold war and incidents. The Organians didn't prevent all hostility but they really clamped down on it. If the Enterprise blew up in Elaan of Troyus, whoops, that was their warp drive, not us! They barganed for Topaline on Capella instead of landing an occupation force. They gradually armed up the villagers on Nueral. They were much less overt in their hostility, even propping up the Romulans to put more pressure on the Federation without breaking the treaty. Was this all because of Orgainians? Can't say but there does seem to be a reason, and if no "new" production doesn't make any more weird changes, there was no major war after the one the Organians stopped.
     
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  10. JonnyQuest037

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    I think the Organians appearing simultaneously on the home planets of the Klingon Empire and the Federation, and all of their weapons becoming too hot to touch, would be enough to spook the leaders into agreeing to an immediate cease fire.

    But I doubt that the Organians sat down with the Federation and the Klingons and helped hammer out a treaty point-by-point, or ever bothered doing anything to enforce it. Don't forget these lines of dialogue from the end of the episode:
    Would you be interested in helping resolve a dispute between two amoebas? No. And when you factor in the fact that being around amoebas caused you intense pain? Absolutely no. The resulting treaty between the Feds and Klingons was only named "The Organian Peace Treaty" because that's where it began. The two parties obviously worked out the specifics on their own.

    Kirk and Kor were two dogs fighting in the Organians' front yard. The Organians turned their hose on them to get them to stop fighting, but they didn't particularly care where the dogs ran off to after that, just as long as they weren't in the Organians' yard any more.
     
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  11. Timo

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    ...As far as I know, no Treaty of Geneve or Locarno or Z├╝rich or whatnot has ever been enforced by the Swiss Army.

    Enforcing isn't a necessary part of treaties in general. And we certainly never got any hint that the Organians would be doing any enforcing, and none of the TOS episodes mentioning the peace suggested that war wouldn't be an option.

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    Admitted I'm no fan of ENT but I have seen the series but I cannot for the life of me remember the Organians appearing!!! In which episode is that or are you surmising that it is them? :confused:
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    Thanks for that, Jonny! Can't say I recall that episode, but I know I saw them all! Were the aliens identified as Organians or is that a fan thing that has reached those pages? :wtf:
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    Thanks, Jonny! I wonder why I never remembered that? I liked the Organians and would or should have picked that point up! :shrug:
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    Well, it was just a passing mention.
     
  18. Delta Vega

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    The Organians in "Observer Effect" were several levels of sinister, and not like the seemingly benevolent old men of "Errand Of Mercy", taking over the crewmen's bodies in the way they did, just to conduct an experiment, was not the behaviour of a super advanced civilisation, it was very unsettling.
    If the Organians were indeed disgusted by Kor and Kirk's posturing, then the crew in Enterprise would have an equal right to be disgusted by the behaviour of the Organians, had they ever been aware of what was going on.
    Just my thoughts.
     
  19. johnnybear

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    I think I'll ignore the episode anyway as I don't count ENT in the TOS universe or my own canon! :D
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  20. Timo

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    I doubt the old men of the TOS episode really were benevolent. Patient, perhaps. Initially amused, even. But they'd also be different in a key respect: they didn't feel like leaving their planet.

    In ENT, we thus apparently meet the Organian military, out to defend the realm even if this means hardship, bugs and worms and whatnot. They'd be doing a job, too, not merely minding their own business when some bugs crawled in through the cracks.

    Timo Saloniemi