Consequences of the plane not crashing

[biotech]

I realised something about the plane not crashing.

Due to the time travelling nature of the losties, and their interference in the past events of Dharma, the others, and specifically Ben...

If Syied does not travel to the past, young Ben does not get shot, does not need to be taken to the temple, never turns evil, never ousts Widmore as leader of the others, and if Widmore is never cast out, then possibly Penny is never born.

Desmond seemed happy enough on the plane, but if he never met Penny, he could never fall in love with her, so maybe he has a different wife/gf.

Daniels life might be significantly different too, since his mother:
A) no longer has to knowingly send him to his death, in fact probably knows nothing of the future now, and..
B) might even have raised him with Widmore, assuming any of them got off the island before it sank.

Who knows, maybe he even grew up with Charlotte?

Of course technically without the losties in the past then the incident should still have happened anyway, because there was noone to stop it with a bomb, and the whole thing starts over again with a new crash, I just hope that isn't how they end the show.

 

[Rhionnach]

I only ever watched the first three episodes of Lost but it would seem to me that if the plane hadn't crashed there wouldn't have been a story. Or am I missing something?

 

[RoJoHen]

Or am I missing something?

Yeah, the rest of the show!

 

[Starbreaker]

I only ever watched the first three episodes of Lost but it would seem to me that if the plane hadn't crashed there wouldn't have been a story. Or am I missing something?

About 105 hours worth.

 

[D Man]

I only ever watched the first three episodes of Lost but it would seem to me that if the plane hadn't crashed there wouldn't have been a story. Or am I missing something?

Awesome post. Yes, you're missing something. How did you manage to wander in to the Lost forum? Trust us, there's definitely a story to be told about what happens if they don't crash.

 

[Crewman47]

Do you suppose Eloise and Farraday exist in the alternate timeline cause we still don't the imediate aftermath of the incident, only that it prevented Flight 815 from ending up on the, now sunken, island, did Eloise, who was knocked by Richard, and any other Others get off before the bomb went off?

 

[biotech]

I doubt the bomb is what sank the island, its not like pulling a plug.

If the bomb was powerful enough to blast the island under the sea than othersville wouldn't still be standing.

If the island can be anywhere and anytime, then someone chose the bottom of the ocean as a location, perhaps as an ultimate sacrifice.

Hmmm oceanic, now theres a coincidence, or is it?

 

[MikeS]

did Eloise, who was knocked by Richard, and any other Others get off before the bomb went off?

Richard said something about having to "protect the leader" after he knocked Eloise out and refused to go with Jack, Sayiid and Jughead. I'm sure he had somewhere safe to go. Maybe they used the donkeywheel?

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

Not if it branched out into a new timeline. Behold this clumsy illustration

---<====

No that's not ASCII of a penis. One timeline... then bam it branches out into two at the "<". Except the time travelers came from the BOTTOM of the "=" while the "they never crashed" reality is the TOP of the "=".

Hence, there are always time travelers coming back to muck things up.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I only ever watched the first three episodes of Lost but it would seem to me that if the plane hadn't crashed there wouldn't have been a story. Or am I missing something?

You're going to be spoiled on half a billion things if you stick around this place. You might not care now, but you will when you get spoiled! Run! Run!

I doubt the bomb is what sank the island, its not like pulling a plug.

If the bomb was powerful enough to blast the island under the sea than othersville wouldn't still be standing.

The they-didn't-crash timeline appears to be a separate reality, and who knows what the rules are for events that "jump realities"? Maybe the blast somehow "rippled over" into the second reality and the island ended up being underwater, but who knows what the exact mechanism was? The ripple could have done nothing more than kill a butterfly in New Jersey in 1908, and that could have set up a chain of events that led to the island being where it was.

 

[Lindley]

My take on the parallel realities:

So long as the '77 Losties remained on track for their own future, things were fine, because the "Whatever happened, happened" rule applied.

But as soon as they did something which irrevocably altered that, things went wacky. The timeline was being forced into another path....but the people could not jump realities. So instead of carrying forward with events in the new timeline, they were dumped back to their "default" time in the original timeline.

I feel comfortable saying that they do have a "default" time, since the off-island and on-island groups both experienced the same passage of time (3 years) relative to each other, and the '07ers were pulled back to '77. This clearly shows that the time in which people exist is not arbitrary, but governed by some rules or pattern.

 

[Jetfire]

I only ever watched the first three episodes of Lost but it would seem to me that if the plane hadn't crashed there wouldn't have been a story. Or am I missing something?

No...Kate still does nothing even though they make it seem Kate does something.

 

[Hober Mallow]

The island sinking could have less to do with a nuke blowing on an island and more to do with a nuke blasting the f*ck out of a pocket of unstable, unpredictable electromagnetic energy. And yes, I realize at this point that's the equivilent of saying they blew up the magic heart of the island, but it is what it is. And now, for some reason, I'm remembering a scene from Red Dwarf which seems particularly apt here.

CAT: (to Rimmer) What is it?

RIMMER: It's a rent in the space-time continuum.

CAT: (turns to Lister) What is it?

LISTER: The stasis room freezes time, you know, makes time stand still. So whenever you have a leak, it must preserve whatever it's leaked into, and it's leaked into this room.

CAT: (turns to Rimmer) What is it?

RIMMER: It's a singularity, a point in the universe where the normal laws of space and time don't apply.

CAT: (turns to Lister) What is it?

LISTER: (sighs) It's a hole back into the past.

CAT: Oh, a magic door! Well, why didn't you say?

 

[Mallet]

I love Red Dwarf.

But the question is what was the original "Incident" if not the bomb going off in the hole?

Because if Jack and the Losties hadn't gone back in time and created trouble at the barracks and such, then Radinszy(?) wouldn't have been so paranoid about compleating the drilling so quickly at the Swan site, so they probably wouldn't have hit the pocket like they did and caused the big issue, also Dr. Candle wouldn't have lost his arm, etc... So I think, "What happened, happened." Jack always led the raid on the site and put the bomb into the hole, and the combined explosion was always "The Incident" we've been hearing about since season two. That is why the Swan station had the tons of concrete dumped in it that Sayid hadn't see anything like since "Chrynoble" because Jack dropped the bomb with radioactive material in it into the hole.

I think Jack & Co, causing "The Incident" always happened and it is by doing this they got sent back to the present day.

But I don't think it sank the island, either in the "main timeline" or in the alternate/flashsideways. Because if it did, then the island would be sunken in both realities since the bomb would have happened in both.

 

[biotech]

Was that the same concrete we didnt see when Juliet was down the same hole?

 

[Mallet]

Was that the same concrete we didnt see when Juliet was down the same hole?

Juliet got moved forward in time like everyone else. She ended up in the crater of the Swan station caused by Desmond using the failsafe key. Everything in that crater was pulverized and blown about and destroyed. The fact that the concrete wasn't there is no surprise, since most of the Swan station also wasn't there. In fact it looked like anything that wasn't metallic got destroyed when the station imploded after Desmond did his thing.

Not seeing the concrete there is like asking where did all the other concrete go after Desmond blew the thing up back at the end of season two, or how did the failsafe key make the station "implode". We know it was there before Desmond turned the key, because we saw it there, we know it wasn't there after he turned the key since we've seen the inside of that hole since the beginning of season three.

All that happened was the Losties moved forward to the same location as they were at the time of the blast. In this case they returned to the location of the already destroyed Swan Station and since the concrete that was there was already gone by 2007, there was no concrete around Juliet when she appeared.

 

[Hermiod]

I love Red Dwarf.

But the question is what was the original "Incident" if not the bomb going off in the hole?

Because if Jack and the Losties hadn't gone back in time and created trouble at the barracks and such, then Radinszy(?) wouldn't have been so paranoid about compleating the drilling so quickly at the Swan site, so they probably wouldn't have hit the pocket like they did and caused the big issue, also Dr. Candle wouldn't have lost his arm, etc... So I think, "What happened, happened." Jack always led the raid on the site and put the bomb into the hole, and the combined explosion was always "The Incident" we've been hearing about since season two. That is why the Swan station had the tons of concrete dumped in it that Sayid hadn't see anything like since "Chrynoble" because Jack dropped the bomb with radioactive material in it into the hole.

I think Jack & Co, causing "The Incident" always happened and it is by doing this they got sent back to the present day.

Certainly, the nature of the Incident appears to be a predestination paradox - i.e. Jack and co causing the the Incident was what caused the flight to crash which later resulted in Jack and co being sent back in time in order to cause the Incident.

But I don't think it sank the island, either in the "main timeline" or in the alternate/flashsideways. Because if it did, then the island would be sunken in both realities since the bomb would have happened in both.

In my view, the Island being sunk is a direct result of Jacob not being around to protect it. I share RoJoHen's view that his death had far reaching effects.