Concept art for Orci's unmade ST3

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by King Daniel Beyond, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. King Daniel Beyond

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    I like the futuristic lawn chairs on the bridge.

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    Thanks for the link.

    As far as the work goes, meh.
     
  4. Khan 2.0

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    Wow. Its was definitely going ahead. Looks abit Event Horizon/Prometheus meets 2001. looks like was called 'Beyond' then?
     
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    Interior of Bad Guy ship was clearly meant to recycle the Enterprise corridors.
     
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    Thanks for posting King Daniel! :) great pics to see - I’m really liking that corkscrew Vulcan starship design!

    [Sigh!] makes me yearn for more Kelvinverse movies!
     
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    Helixed Vulcan warp rings make perverse sense. I wonder which way the ship would have been spinning. :devil:

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    looks vaguely 'TinMan'

    makes me yearn for Orcis Beyond!
     
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    Sweet art. Maybe the bad guys are lounge lizards....(like actual reclining reptiles)
     
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    I think he'd have been crazy to give it away for free... but if he had, it would be amazing.

    It'll always be a fascinating maybe we'll wonder about, like Starfleet Academy, the alternate Generations movie with hologram-Kirk, Planet of the Titans, The Beginning and so forth.
     
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    We don’t know a lot of concrete details about it, I was hoping trekmovie would do an article or something. Rumour was Shatner And Nimoy would play old nuKirk and Spock (so back in a new uniform on the bridge of the Enterprise!?) but Orci said Kirk Prime would return.
    But how?

    I’d love details and scene descriptions! Why are we obsessed with what might have been? As if we may see it someday? And isn’t it better in the imagination?
     
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    Honestly, I'm not so hot on those set designs. They're kind of generic-looking and overly geometric for my taste.
     
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    All that was missing was the mimosa's
     
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    What might have been always gets the imagination going. The version of Star Trek: The Beginning in my head I am fairly sure is much better than what would have made it to screen:lol:
    I agree, the designs are quite uninspired. Lawn chairs as an evil command centre and a spinning top as a Vulcan ship.
     
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    The only thing that truly excited me about his movie was Claudio Miranda. "Life of Pi" is like one of the most visually beautiful movies I have ever watched. I was already anticipating stunning shoots in the space. Sob. Can they hire him still? A good cinematography is important.

    As for Orci script, I don't know what to think for sure. The story sounds like too fan pandering (or rather haters pandering) for a guy who, when arguing with haters over trekmovie, he always preached confidence and like the haters couldn't influence him.
    The whole destroying everything that makes this their own trek and restoring the timeline stuff seems so lame and so contradictory. For one, he always denied that theory as a possibility as it goes against quantum mechanics, that is the time travel theory they use (in short, if this crew went back in time to change their past they'd only create another alternate reality. Besides, tos still exists there is nothing to restore)

    So I don't know, on one hand I think it's possible that Orci alone would be too weak and cave under fan pressure because truth to be told, I have noticed signs of wishy washyness from him. One moment he was like 'I don't care about tos purists hating my trek, I stand by my decisions', the next he'd placate them by saying things that even contradicted his script or things he had said previously when he was talking to a different audience. He seemed a bit of an unreliable narrator who changed his narrative, at times, to keep things still safe for the haters, especially compared to JJ and Kurtzman who kept their distance from haters and fans.
    On the other hand though, I want to give him benefit of the doubt because he only talked about k/s facing a temptation so it is possible, which would make sense with his personality too, that the movie would tease haters at first giving them the illusion that everything would get back to being just like tos..only to eventually end up reinforcing the existence of the Kelvin timeline and thus their own trek. In short, the story would only show how bad as an idea the 'restoring the timeline' thing was. I could see the characters realizing that their life as it is in their own reality matters too and they can't cancel it all.

    But then again, the reality where vulcan isn't destroyed and George Kirk lives already exists so the temptation is utter nonsense, to begin with.
    I can see why paramount didn't like it and must have thought it was too convoluted. If even Beyond felt more solid as a story to them, then Orci's script must have truly been a mess with plot holes and inconsistencies that couldn't be resolved in one movie.

    The issue for me is that his story might even have potential in terms of the characters facing a big conflict (that is what I said above about them realizing their own existence and experiences matter too), but it would most likely sideline everyone who wasn't Kirk, and thus not really let the characters get their own arc and something realistic.
    This especially if Shatner were to be in the movie, and we know that he isn't up for a cameo. If Orci wanted him, he'd have to give him a big role and essentially placate all his demands...which Orci would most likely do because he's a fanboy and he'd be a first time director who'd do anything to have his favorite in the movie. We would end up getting something like the mummy reboot where Kurtzman had to modify the script according to Tom Cruise demandsbecause the studio was obsessed about having him...and it was a flop.

    Shatner always plays a bit of a victim about why he isn't in the reboot but truthfully, I think JJ wasn't against him getting a role but he gave up when he saw that the Shat would only cause troubles because he wants a big role at any cost. Who wants to work with guest stars who make demands when even your main cast doesn't do that much?
    Shatner has a reputation as someone who has an ego and is difficult to work with.
     
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  17. Danlav05

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    Here's what RO tweeted about this story:

    Orci was planning to co-write and direct a third Star Trek movie. In it, the Federation, The Vulcans and a new race were racing to get their hands on a time travel device, the Vulcans wanted to get their hands on a time travel device. In the process, the Prime Timeline would have been restored, ending the trilogy, with the return of Kirk Prime.

    Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock https://t.co/i9GkSAebiO

    — Roberto Orci (@realboborci) August 3, 2016



    It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt?https://t.co/X9qqGo2gET

    — Roberto Orci (@realboborci) August 3, 2016



    Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma.https://t.co/X9qqGo2gET

    — Roberto Orci (@realboborci) August 3, 2016



    Maybe some day, Paramount will novelize script! https://t.co/TUm6kgMVbL

    — Roberto Orci (@realboborci) August 4, 2016



    Enlil. https://t.co/81of0SK0oC

    — Roberto Orci (@realboborci) August 4, 2016
     
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    I'm frankly relieved Orci's script was stopped when it was, regardless of quality. If they'd gone ahead with it, Leonard Nimoy dying in mid-production (if it even made it that far) - whether or not Shatner managed to resolve their final falling-out with him on set - would have been soul-shattering to cast and fans alike. Using a CGI Spock to finish the film would not have been an option for cash-strapped Paramount, even if his family agreed to it. So no ST3 for the 50th Anniversary - and Anton dying not long after. :wah:
     
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    I wonder if some of these factors (especially Nimoy dying) lead to this being shelved?
     
  20. King Daniel Beyond

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    Wait did he actually tweet this bit or is it speculation?