Completely original Kelvinverse ship and crew

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Laura Cynthia Chambers, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. Laura Cynthia Chambers

    Laura Cynthia Chambers Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Would you watch a Kelvinverse-set movie that introduces a brand new ship and hero crew to the Star Trek universe? How would you introduce/assemble the new characters without having a ST '09 type introduction? It would be interesting to introduce brand new characters in a way that isn't just a role call, when characters who were essentially for TOS fans, the same as the TOS characters, personality-wise, with a few tweaks.
     
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  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    Before Beyond underperformed/tanked/whatever, there was talk of Paramount expanding the cinematic Trek universe. The former Paramount president spoke of a "SEAL Team Six of the Federation" movie.

    I'd be all for it. It's an interesting situation though, we have loads of new TV Trek planned (Disco S2, The Picard Show, Starfleet Academy, a new animated series etc). I am curious how the movies will differentiate themselves going forward. Perhaps they fear a Star Trek V situation, where some blamed weak performance on The Next Generation giving them much the same on TV. They need Trek movies to be a big deal, not just "more Star Trek"
     
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  3. Dukhat

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    I don't really see how a Kelvin universe original ship and crew would be any different from what we're getting with Star Trek: Discovery.
     
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  4. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Without time to develop everybody's character that a TV show affords, you have to get to know them pretty fast.
     
  5. Malaika

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    why not?

    I always thought they could make a spin-off set in the future where some of the next generation characters are linked to the ones we know.
    You could have Spock/Uhura' son or daughter as either the captain or the ship's doctor (imagine a series that is more focused on the perspective from sickbay rather than the bridge all the time?). You have Sulu's daughter too. Leave the possibility of the old characters making a cameo, but don't (e.g., Discovery) make their whole arc all about them being offspring of x character because it's boring. In fact, it would be great if you get only some clues about the connection and then it's revealed only later. And yes, make them totally new people and not really a 'copy' of the 'roles' the old characters have in fans mind.

    actually, speaking about 'new people', a friend of mine asked me if S/U, as well as the other characters of the kelvin timeline, can have kids in this reality in spite of not having them in tos. My friend was like 'it seems like only those who exist in tos can exist in the kelvin timeline too' and that got me thinking about this a lot because it's a fascinating concept, actually. I didn't want to open a thread because I don't think it's a topic many people would care about but I surely thought about it.

    Truth is, from a realistic (as realistic as you can be in sci-fi that still has fantasy elements) if alternate (quantum) realities exist, there is no reason why a person must be born in every possible reality. The concept is that destiny doesn't exist and everything is supposed to morph and change (across realities) according to simple events that may happen or not happen.. so yeah, if your parents never met or they broke up before conceiving you, I'm sorry but you may not exist in that parallel reality. But does that really matter as long as you exist in your own? Your different realities counterparts would be different people anyway and you aren't living their life, and them living their life or not doesn't change yours. This could be a good pretext for a bit of character conflict (e.g., them discovering that in another reality they were never born)

    Point is, the idea that all the characters we saw in tos must exist in aos too and viceversa, those that don't exist in tos can't exist in aos, is a tad forced and silly and it really is more a limit that writers implicly and naively put on their narrative (because, of course, we gotta get a Spock, a Uhura, a Kirk etc etc) than the most logical idea. And yes, it kind of seems a bit like even with Sulu in Beyond there is no real 'new' if it comes across as if he can have a baby girl only because he had one in tos too. People even automatically call her Demora, in spite of us not really nothing if she's exactly her or if she CAN even be her (if her other parent isn't the same it was in tos, as Pegg had apparently implied that Sulu dates men only in this reality, then she can't be ). Was that a homage from the writers' perspective (giving him a daughter instead of a son), or is it truly a sign, again, of this almost subconscious limit the writers put on themselves that prevents them to truly imagine this as another reality full of new possibilities? The latter is a big depressing for me, and honestly a wasted potential.
    tl dr: an issue this timeline may have had from the start is that they tell us it's an alternate reality but they don't exactly embrace the concept fully because they don't, in a way, let this trek BE an alternate reality where things are ruled by casuality rather than destiny, or fate concepts, that may not truly fit with the presuption trek has to be inspired more by visionary science than pure fantasy genre.
     
  6. King Daniel Beyond

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    Disco = 15 episodes on a high TV budget
    Hypothetical movie = 2 hours on a moderate blockbuster budget

    Bigger things happen, faster.
     
  7. XCV330

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    I think its honestly a good time to move away from the TOS crew.
     
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    I would want it to be a spy thriller.

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  9. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Instant impressions are formed, too. But little split-second character moments can change impressions just like a long-winded exploration in depth can. Hints say a mouthful.
     
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    Yes. No. Maybe?

    Depends on a lot of things. Just because it is labeled "Star Trek" doesn't make it an automatic watch for me.
     
  11. Greg Cox

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    But that's the case with every original movie that isn't a sequel. It's not like we knew who Luke, Han, Leia, or Obi-Wan were before STAR WARS back in 1977. Or had been previously introduced to any of THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN, or to Rick and Ilsa and Lazlo in CASABLANCA. Original movies do this all time.

    The advantage to setting it in the STAR TREK universe, besides name-recognition, is that you wouldn't have to do all the world-building from scratch, so you'd conceivably have more time to introduce the characters since the audience would already know what a "Federation" or "Klingon" was.
     
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  12. saddestmoon

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    I’d be for a movie with a new crew, ship in the Kelvinverse!

    :D in a heartbeat!
     
  13. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Out of context. I was replying to @Dukhat's post about what the difference between this idea and DSC was. Sorry I didn't make myself clearer.

    But it would be new to Trek, having to do that, I mean.
     
  14. Dukhat

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    If a Kelvin universe show was produced, which had a 15 episode season and went for multiple seasons, again, how is that any different from Discovery, other than the universe it takes place in?
     
  15. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    I was referring to a standalone (two hour+) film whose hero characters and ship are all original.
     
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  16. Nyotarules

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    I'd watch an Articles of the Federation style T.V show set in the Star Trek universe.
    I would not mind a reboot Kelvinverse TOS as long it was an ensemble piece and not Kirk, McCoy and Spock are the only ones who can go anywhere off the damn ship.
     
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  17. Nyotarules

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    Exactly hence you have the stupid plot line of a cadet becomes Captain overnight...because ..destiny! (I always suspected Starfleet was run by human idiots anyway)
     
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  18. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    How about a guy who used to be a captain for years, having been promoted over the years and earned his way there through hard work, but got demoted for a big mistake, and now had to claw his way back up and only now has made it back to the top?
     
  19. Dukhat

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    Ah, ok, sorry, I misunderstood you.
     
  20. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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