Cloths and Fire in the 24th Century

[tharpdevenport]

While watching a clip from Insurrection on YouTube where some shit blows up in Engineering and a couple people catch fire, it hit me ... WHY?

Considering the history of things & people catching fire on ships, why aren't cloths fire retardent? It's over half-way into the 24th century and we still catch fire?

 

[cardinal biggles]

Because Geordi hosing down some dude who's on fire is more dramatic than him running up, slapping the guy on the back, and saying "Thank God for fire-retardant uniforms"?

 

[Jon1701]

Well, IIRC correctly he is on fire but we don't know for sure if it burned through the clothing onto the skin.

Could have been fire retardant. Unless you have some sort of personal shielding leaping out in front of you i'm not sure what you can do.

 

[RapidNadion]

Can't remember what led into this scene in INS, but it could be that the unfortunate crewman in question was caught in the path of a spray of flaming [tech] liquid off-camera before the LaForge extinguishing scene. Flame-retardant uniform or no, that stuff's going to burn until the fuel's gone.

 

[Jon1701]

Actually, it seems like someone has put the movie up on yootoob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4DiHXHyufY&feature=related

About 8.09 in.

You know, what pisses me off most about that scene is the "...I just did..." line. It is literally crying out for a shot of the warp core flying through the engineering deck as Geordi and the boys dive out the way.

That would have rocked.

 

[cardinal biggles]

I don't know that we were ever going to see that, but we were supposed to get a shot of the core ejecting from the bottom of the ship. That ended up being cut from the final film, though storyboards do turn up in Terry J. Erdmann's book The Secrets of Star Trek: Insurrection.

 

[Jon1701]

cardinal biggles said:
I don't know that we were ever going to see that, but we were supposed to get a shot of the core ejecting from the bottom of the ship. That ended up being cut from the final film, though storyboards do turn up in Terry J. Erdmann's book The Secrets of Star Trek: Insurrection.

I remember that.

I'm sure Jonathan Frakes sat there in the editing room and wished he'd cut back on the llama's and the lovely scenery.

"I just did" is tantamount to saying "We havent got enough money to shoot this bit!". Its a cute line and Burton nearly gets away with it.

But he doesnt.

This was the one time, the one time we could have seen the Warp Core being ejected for crying out loud! We don't even see it!! Its supposed to be the movies!!! If we can have the saucer section crashing & a full size set of the deflector dish surely they could have saved a few quid to show the Warp Core Being Ejected!!!

 

[cardinal biggles]

Maybe Stewart ($12m) and Spiner ($5m) should have been convinced to donate part of their bloated salaries.

 

[Aldo]

Insurrection was done on the cheap, plain and simple. The effects are worse than TFF.

Ironically those are my two favorite Trek films, go figure.

 

[SeerSGB]

jon1701 said:
Actually, it seems like someone has put the movie up on yootoob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4DiHXHyufY&feature=related

About 8.09 in.

You know, what pisses me off most about that scene is the "...I just did..." line. It is literally crying out for a shot of the warp core flying through the engineering deck as Geordi and the boys dive out the way.

That would have rocked.

Don't leave out we'd have to have the camera follow the core through and out of the ship into open space. A simple shot of the core dropping wouldn't be enough, we'd have to go for the full money shot.

 

[David cgc]

I don't know, I can just see so perfectly in my minds eye a shot from the console, looking past LaForge to the warp core, and a force field just snapping on around it and the thing just shooting straight down. I think that'd be more impressive than just seeing a few decks fly by from the core's POV. It would certainly be more impressive technically, since they'd have to paint out the prop core and composite it dropping and all of that, as opposed to just a CGI core shooting past a CGI engineering into CGI space.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

It would've been very cool to see that...

 

[Manticore]

It would certainly be more impressive technically, since they'd have to paint out the prop core and composite it dropping and all of that, as opposed to just a CGI core shooting past a CGI engineering into CGI space.

In the shot linked above, it looked like they just removed the warp core from the set physically. Easy enough to do that and stick in a CGI one.

Though it probably wouldn't look that great with '98 CGI technology.

 

[Jon1701]

Aldo said:
Insurrection was done on the cheap, plain and simple. The effects are worse than TFF.

Ironically those are my two favorite Trek films, go figure.

I dont think it was done on the cheap. I'm pretty sure they had a bigger budget.

Just spent it on fucking llama's.

 

[Aldo]

A lot of the money was a late addition to the budget for the reshoots at the end of the film.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I wish they'd have given more money to the budget initially...

 

[Aldo]

I wish Berman didnt crap out and went with ILM.

 

[Therin of Andor]

jon1701 said:
Just spent it on fucking llamas.

Only at the wrap party.

 

[comsol]

Therin of Andor said:

jon1701 said:
Just spent it on fucking llamas.

Only at the wrap party.

Man, I'm glad I put my coffee down before I read that.