Christianity and Star Trek

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Alisium said:

Plum said:
It is scientifically proven there are no gods. But I know many don't believe that. Just saying.

I think you'd find it hard to find any serious scientist willing to make that claim outright. Most have a hard time saying anything is proven or not. Usually it's given to the ambiguous realm of supported or unsupported.

I remember, during one of my engineering classes our instructor handed us out a paper that the scientific community wrote up as guidlines for other scientist, like Michiu Kaku who began to delve so deep into quantum physics they flrited with the God question.

Basically, it told them to knock that crap off. It's dogmatic. I don't myself belive in god, nor do I think that our current science has all the answers either. If we did, science would stop.

The end.

Since we don't, it will keep evolving and so will those set in stone contemporary world views.

Therefore,

I am agnostic.

Well said.

I find it hard to believe that science can answer the God question. Particularly because you can't measure supernatural phenomena (aside from what Ghost Hunters will tell you ) accurately. You can measure perception, physical state, condition and properties, but if something is supernatural and beyond measure like God or gods, then it's outside the realm of science. Let's leave theology to those who dream and imagine what ifs, and let's have the hardcore data in our sciences speak for itself. Science cannot in any way prove or disprove the existence of a god or gods. I doubt it will be able to do so in the near future, most certainly not within the next few hundred years.


J.

 

[3D Master]

J. Allen said:
Well said.

I find it hard to believe that science can answer the God question. Particularly because you can't measure supernatural phenomena (aside from what Ghost Hunters will tell you ) accurately. You can measure perception, physical state, condition and properties, but if something is supernatural and beyond measure like God or gods, then it's outside the realm of science. Let's leave theology to those who dream and imagine what ifs, and let's have the hardcore data in our sciences speak for itself. Science cannot in any way prove or disprove the existence of a god or gods. I doubt it will be able to do so in the near future, most certainly not within the next few hundred years.

There is no such thing as the supernatural. The supernatural by definition does not exist. And all that exists, is by definition natural. In short, if gods and goddesses exist they are of the natural world and you can perceive them, see them, hear them, detect them, examine them, quantify them, etc. etc.

 

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3D Master said:

J. Allen said:
Well said.

I find it hard to believe that science can answer the God question. Particularly because you can't measure supernatural phenomena (aside from what Ghost Hunters will tell you ) accurately. You can measure perception, physical state, condition and properties, but if something is supernatural and beyond measure like God or gods, then it's outside the realm of science. Let's leave theology to those who dream and imagine what ifs, and let's have the hardcore data in our sciences speak for itself. Science cannot in any way prove or disprove the existence of a god or gods. I doubt it will be able to do so in the near future, most certainly not within the next few hundred years.

There is no such thing as the supernatural. The supernatural by definition does not exist. And all that exists, is by definition natural. In short, if gods and goddesses exist they are of the natural world and you can perceive them, see them, hear them, detect them, examine them, quantify them, etc. etc.

For you, and that's an acceptable answer for you. However, being as one who is of a particular spiritual faith, I disagree.

J.

 

[Garth Rockett]

3D Master said:
There is no such thing as the supernatural. The supernatural by definition does not exist. And all that exists, is by definition natural.

The way I read the dictionary, it would work the other way. All that is natural would by definition exist. However, nothing in the meaning of the term "existence" as it is being used in this context implies "natural" by necessity.

 

[3D Master]

J. Allen said:

3D Master said:

J. Allen said:
Well said.

I find it hard to believe that science can answer the God question. Particularly because you can't measure supernatural phenomena (aside from what Ghost Hunters will tell you ) accurately. You can measure perception, physical state, condition and properties, but if something is supernatural and beyond measure like God or gods, then it's outside the realm of science. Let's leave theology to those who dream and imagine what ifs, and let's have the hardcore data in our sciences speak for itself. Science cannot in any way prove or disprove the existence of a god or gods. I doubt it will be able to do so in the near future, most certainly not within the next few hundred years.

There is no such thing as the supernatural. The supernatural by definition does not exist. And all that exists, is by definition natural. In short, if gods and goddesses exist they are of the natural world and you can perceive them, see them, hear them, detect them, examine them, quantify them, etc. etc.

For you, and that's an acceptable answer for you. However, being as one who is of a particular spiritual faith, I disagree.

Your faith is immaterial. This is simple scientific fact. Thus gods can be described and examined by sufficiently advanced science should they exist. Right now, there's not a single shred of evidence supporting the existence of any god. And there is one scientific paradigm that is not the prevalent one, that has the universe not beginning in a big bang, but simply always existing, without a beginning. You can't have a god starting the universe, if the universe had no beginning. Should this concept should ever be proven to be true, it effectively proves the non-existence of god.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I prefer to say that God and gods are extremely improbable--so much so as to be practically impossible.

To illustrate: I could never disprove that a race of bipedal, chain-smoking, porn-addicted pink rabbits inhabit the largest moon of Iota Horologi Prime but I would hazard to say their existence is highly improbable--so much so as to be practically impossible.

 

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3D Master said:
Your faith is immaterial.

To you. I, on the other hand, disagree.

This is simple scientific fact.

It's personal bias. Science has nothing to do with religion itself.

Thus gods can be described and examined by sufficiently advanced science should they exist.

You cannot prove God(s) exist(s). You cannot prove God(s) does/do not exist. God is an unknown quantity that cannot be observed or studied, neither can it be reproduced using the scientific method. It is an unknown.

Also, with your statement, you must allow creationism to have a foothold in the scientific community. After all, you're dragging science into the realm of faith in an effort to prove or disprove a matter of faith. Turnabout is fair play.

Right now, there's not a single shred of evidence supporting the existence of any god. And there is one scientific paradigm that is not the prevalent one, that has the universe not beginning in a big bang, but simply always existing, without a beginning. You can't have a god starting the universe, if the universe had no beginning. Should this concept should ever be proven to be true, it effectively proves the non-existence of god.

It will do nothing of the sort.


J.

 

[Michael Chris]

I am a Christian who doesn't like Star Trek. Although not for any religious reasons. I think it's perfectly possible to be a fan of Trek and be a Christian. I used to be a fan and I was and am a Christian.

3D Master said:
There is no such thing as the supernatural. The supernatural by definition does not exist. And all that exists, is by definition natural.

Well, definition is wrong then.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

OK, I've said not to discuss this. This thread has gone completely off topic and I'm closing it down.

 

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Naib Michael Usul said:
I am a Christian who doesn't like Star Trek. Although not for any religious reasons. I think it's perfectly possible to be a fan of Trek and be a Christian. I used to be a fan and I was and am a Christian.

3D Master said:
There is no such thing as the supernatural. The supernatural by definition does not exist. And all that exists, is by definition natural.

Well, definition is wrong then.

Hey Mike, you're not a Trek fan anymore?!

J.