Chris Pine Q&A - Deadline (Marvel VS Star Trek Budget, Box Office, Fanbase)
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If they're gonna go small, it might as well be a Long Treks on Paramount+.
Reuse all those SNW sets, they're similar enough to the Enterprise in the movies. I'd watch, if they ever release it over here. Just make it solid.
Reuse all those SNW sets, they're similar enough to the Enterprise in the movies. I'd watch, if they ever release it over here. Just make it solid.
Chris is right.
Look at Dune. it made money was critically acclaimed and was not trying to be mcu. infact the director of dune finds MCU movies quite bad.
Trek needs to be inspired by movies like Dune in terms of production and expectations and not MCU. it is never going to make MCU money, so Paramount need to stop trying and focus on something else that works
Look at Dune. it made money was critically acclaimed and was not trying to be mcu. infact the director of dune finds MCU movies quite bad.
Trek needs to be inspired by movies like Dune in terms of production and expectations and not MCU. it is never going to make MCU money, so Paramount need to stop trying and focus on something else that works
MCU movies are in fact, commodity. Product. Except for a few, the quirky.
JJTrek didn’t know SW was comin back, to reclaim the SF/zippy action throne it had abdicated before ST09. It did. Paramount could have retooled, but so often, execs want a splashy home run rather than a good, profitable double. Happens in a lot of industries. I think of a college administrator who gets that crazily exorbitant building built and the kids pay for it in their tuition. I digresss. Pine right. Make him a producer to sign him.
JJTrek didn’t know SW was comin back, to reclaim the SF/zippy action throne it had abdicated before ST09. It did. Paramount could have retooled, but so often, execs want a splashy home run rather than a good, profitable double. Happens in a lot of industries. I think of a college administrator who gets that crazily exorbitant building built and the kids pay for it in their tuition. I digresss. Pine right. Make him a producer to sign him.
He actually gets it and that's what I and a lot of others have been saying for years.
The more recent Alien movies but were more of a financial success because they cost only 100-120 million to make, which meant. Beyond would have still been a great movie if they'd cut down on the action, like the whole Bike chase thing and maybe cut down on the ending and you'll save a ton of money. There were large parts of Promtheus that felt more like a TOS episode, a bad one but a TOS episode nonetheless and I'm sure Trek could do the same and still make 2-3 times their money.
The more recent Alien movies but were more of a financial success because they cost only 100-120 million to make, which meant. Beyond would have still been a great movie if they'd cut down on the action, like the whole Bike chase thing and maybe cut down on the ending and you'll save a ton of money. There were large parts of Promtheus that felt more like a TOS episode, a bad one but a TOS episode nonetheless and I'm sure Trek could do the same and still make 2-3 times their money.
It falls under a studio who never knew what they had and had been desperately trying to make it what it could never be.
Not enough people have clocked that Covenant is just big budget "Datalore"
Most of the things I like about Trek is just two people talking in a room. That's why I got such a kick out of Siddig El Fadil's Alone Together DS9 story on Youtube, it's just Sid, Andy Robinson, Cirroc, Armin and Nana just talking to the screen. If you don't have the budget to write special effects you have to fill that run time with something and it's either plot or character, which is what I prefer anyway. And if you lose $40 or 60 million these days it doesn't have to be the end of the world. A Trek feature film is often hit or miss and it's kind of unfair when you think how episodes can vary week to week. I dunno. I wish these guys just made a show and I could watch them hang out more often. This week Pine and Quinto get stuck in a quarry while the Enterprise is buggered in space.
Star Trek's format is so flexible, they could do a movie of Chris Pine's Kirk trying to survive on a hostile planet (a la Riddick) if they so chose. See one or two of the others for two minutes when he successfully beams up at the very end.
But depending how cheap they go, what'll make it so special people will go to see it in the cinema, when Strange New Worlds looks like the 2009 movie but its on P+ every week?
But depending how cheap they go, what'll make it so special people will go to see it in the cinema, when Strange New Worlds looks like the 2009 movie but its on P+ every week?
Pine and company, hopefully.
Pine's right. I’m not sure why there is an issue with thinking smaller, since the movies do in a way.
Its tries to be a big budget spectacle to reach a wider audience and be on the level of Star Wars and Marvel, but misses out on key factors that allow those films to be as big as they are.
Lacking in fantastical elements - the closest to fantastical in the Kelvin films was Yorktown starbase. A small part of a movie within a single film. Meanwhile Star Wars and Marvel make the fantastical a part of their identify. It ironic since there are a lot of ideas in TOS, TAS and early TNG to inspire them in expanding on fantastical elements
Killing off the villains too quickly - The Kelvin movies have killed off all of their villains – Nero, Admiral Marcus, Krall. Not that its unusual for Trek movies to do that as that actually the norm, but they would be better served having a recurring antagonist. Even Marvel and Star Wars has recurring villains that go on for two movies or more. Thanos, Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine, Count Dooku, Jabba the Hutt, Boba Fett and Kylo Ren would not have reached the heights they did as iconic characters if they were killed off in their first appearance.
The only one the Kelvin films have established as a possible recurring character is Khan, already an iconic character, who is in stasis. And its unknown if he will be revisited anytime soon; the writing will need to be vastly better than what he had in STID. Outside of Khan, there is no one within the films that exist as an antagonist that could be revisited in multiple films outside of the Klingon Empire as a whole.
Need a more coherent narrative as a series of films - The Kelvins films do work as the early voyages’ trilogy of the Kelvin crew. But they are no Genesis trilogy. Let alone sagas as large as Star Wars and Marvel. Trek films aren’t normally written to be serialised featured. They are currently written to be stand alone adventures, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
The upside is that the foundation is in place for a trilogy of films that more connected that past Trek fare.
Its tries to be a big budget spectacle to reach a wider audience and be on the level of Star Wars and Marvel, but misses out on key factors that allow those films to be as big as they are.
Lacking in fantastical elements - the closest to fantastical in the Kelvin films was Yorktown starbase. A small part of a movie within a single film. Meanwhile Star Wars and Marvel make the fantastical a part of their identify. It ironic since there are a lot of ideas in TOS, TAS and early TNG to inspire them in expanding on fantastical elements
Killing off the villains too quickly - The Kelvin movies have killed off all of their villains – Nero, Admiral Marcus, Krall. Not that its unusual for Trek movies to do that as that actually the norm, but they would be better served having a recurring antagonist. Even Marvel and Star Wars has recurring villains that go on for two movies or more. Thanos, Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine, Count Dooku, Jabba the Hutt, Boba Fett and Kylo Ren would not have reached the heights they did as iconic characters if they were killed off in their first appearance.
The only one the Kelvin films have established as a possible recurring character is Khan, already an iconic character, who is in stasis. And its unknown if he will be revisited anytime soon; the writing will need to be vastly better than what he had in STID. Outside of Khan, there is no one within the films that exist as an antagonist that could be revisited in multiple films outside of the Klingon Empire as a whole.
Need a more coherent narrative as a series of films - The Kelvins films do work as the early voyages’ trilogy of the Kelvin crew. But they are no Genesis trilogy. Let alone sagas as large as Star Wars and Marvel. Trek films aren’t normally written to be serialised featured. They are currently written to be stand alone adventures, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
The upside is that the foundation is in place for a trilogy of films that more connected that past Trek fare.
If you want an example of a movie that was a small production with low studio expectations, Dune is not your boy.
Was Dune all about low expectations? that was due to COVID. Dune did well in a post covid pandemic era. it made 100m domestic and over 400m worldwide.
400m worldwide, that is more than star trek beyond made.
It's far from an example for the kind of potential small-scale Star Trek movie people are constructing a model for here. Also, it was under pressure to make money. The sequel wasn't greenlit until it had done the business.
It made more money than Beyond, sure, but it probably helped that it was advertised and hyped properly.