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China's hosting of the 2008 Olympics

Neroon

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Article on CNN.com

It was controversial when the 08 Games were awarded to China. It doesn't seem to be any less so today. But as unsettled as that question my be of whether or not it should ever have been awarded... it brings up a corollary question for me. How appropriate is using the Olympics as a platform for protesting political issues outside of the Games? I'm not trying to dismiss the concerns of those who feel this was wrong, but how much does it help to attempt to douse the torch along its route? What benefit is brought by boycotting the Games?
 
The games have been used as a political platform since Berlin when they were supposed to be the triumph of the white, aryan race. A guy named Jesse Owens had something to say about that, IIRC.

The 1968 Mexico City olympics and the Black Power salute come to mind as well. It wasn't until the 1980 summer games and the boycott over the Afghanistan invasion did the games become tools of governments.

Should China have been awarded the Games? It does lend legitimacy to the regime on the world stage.

Boycotts can have the effect of reducing the perceived value of the games, i.e. "the best weren't there" and the results are not tainted, but not on the same plane if there were full attendance. A boycott can also hurt economically - the delegation and many fans won't attend, costing the host country hard cash. Unfortunately, this can trickle down to the little people counting on the games and make their take less.

As for the effect of a boycott, I think it's somewhere up there with a binding resolution by the UN. All style, but very little substance. It's a way for the protesting nation to look like they are taking strong action without much risk.

The only people hurt are the athletes who train and dream of reaching the games and to be told their government says "not this year" seems to be devastating to them.
 
The games have been used as a political platform since Berlin when they were supposed to be the triumph of the white, aryan race. A guy named Jesse Owens had something to say about that, IIRC.

The 1968 Mexico City olympics and the Black Power salute come to mind as well. It wasn't until the 1980 summer games and the boycott over the Afghanistan invasion did the games become tools of governments.

Don't forget the abduction and murder of the Isreali athletes from the '72 Munich games as another example.
 
I can never forget those Munich games, for a variety of reasons.... but that was by far the most horrific and searing reason. :(

As for this year's games.... I did find it a tad amusing that they've had to resort to hide-n-seek in order to get the torch from one place to another.
 
If we needed a reminder that the modern Olympics are uncomfortably balanced between human achievement (athletes performing physical miracles) and corporate profits (why else are the games in China), here we are.

I feel for the athletes. But the IOC brought this on everyone with their ridiculous decision to hold the games in Beijing in the first place.

An easy solution might to be to start giving medals for "best beating of a Buddhist nun," perhaps. Suppressing an entire population is at least as strenuous as ice dancing, and since neither is a sport, why not?
 
My only problem with the Chinese hosting the Olympics is I dread having to watch hour after hour of Chinese Checkers.
 
My only problem with the Chinese hosting the Olympics is I dread having to watch hour after hour of Chinese Checkers.
:guffaw:

I think the opening Ceremony is going to be very interesting indeed. It will be highly embarrassing if some rebel athletes decide to use it as a chance to protest against Tibet. I wouldn't put it past some of them.
 
All I want to know is if the US is actually going to bother fielding a basketball team that has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Beyond that ... I'm waiting for 2010 and the next round of hockey tomfoolery.

And the year we make contact, but that's another thread.
 
My only problem with the Chinese hosting the Olympics is I dread having to watch hour after hour of Chinese Checkers.
:guffaw:

I think the opening Ceremony is going to be very interesting indeed. It will be highly embarrassing if some rebel athletes decide to use it as a chance to protest against Tibet. I wouldn't put it past some of them.

Tibet is the one protesting against China, but who wants to get sidetracked by mere details.

Carry on.
 
My only problem with the Chinese hosting the Olympics is I dread having to watch hour after hour of Chinese Checkers.
:guffaw:

I think the opening Ceremony is going to be very interesting indeed. It will be highly embarrassing if some rebel athletes decide to use it as a chance to protest against Tibet. I wouldn't put it past some of them.

Tibet is the one protesting against China, but who wants to get sidetracked by mere details.

Carry on.

Oh, you know what I meant, pedant! :D
 
What benefit is brought by boycotting the Games?

NOTHING
there is Zero Benefit, we tried Boycotting Moscow and they boycotted us and it achieved absolutely nothing, only to destroy the dreams of athletes who spent many years working and dreaming about this chance only to have it wiped away by some A-hole politicians

I love how all these FreeTibet hippies couldn't even find Tibet on a map when asked by a news agency. Nobody real gets the issue behind Tibet, we see some distorted Western view point from CNN/Fox but none of us are exposed to the other viewpoints, their Chinese claim has been going back 700 or so years and nobody would aver address the benefits of their Confucianist, Spock like philosophy on how the needs of the few out weigh the needs of the many.

I think the biggest issue behind this Tibet BS is commie phobia. Mexico saw hundreds of its people gunned down before the games yet nobody batted an eye lid, South Korea was under martial law and people were even happy to turn up for Korea and Hitler's games
-read "IBM and the holocaust" for an insight to the US 1930s, not only did you have crazy stuff like racial segregation but you had twisted political stuff going on
communism was seen as a bigger threat than Hitler dictatorship in fact a lot of great American people like Ford, Lindbergh done business with these A-holes because they liked making money and hated commies more than Adolf. The roots of the cold war are there long before Korea or Vietnam, the roots go way back to the 30s and even before. Today the coldwar mentality continues as Kosovo breaks from Serbia or Putin and Bush go head to head politically etc. Modern China bashing is another continuation of this cold war mentality. China has stated it will not give up Tibet, pushing them, a nation with MIRVs into a corner would be one of the dumbest things ever.

One question that really needs to be asked is how the hell would putting an un-elected A-hole like the Lama back in power make Tibet democratic....maybe it would make it as good as Iraq-Democracy !!. Like that place is doing so fine, and our hawks will claim the surge is working out just fine with our Marines stretched near breaking point and another 12 US troops severely injured yesterday from insurgent attacks

Yes China is a messed up nation, its got huge problems and a really bad human rights history. But why are we getting the other side of the story from a pretentious A-hole like the Dalai Lama, the man is certainly not holy and can be best described as a fraud selling some distorted version of Buddhism. For many years Hollywood and its moronic voices like Richard Gere have been trying to paint some warped picture of a perfect little spiritual kingdom for these lovely people in the Mountains. But the truth is much different, for the ordinary Tibet living in the Lama's kingdom was one of the closest things to hell on Earth, other than a few elite religious lunatics living up the good life Tibet sucked for the ordinary Tibetan dude. The Lama used to have children mutilated as punishment and his business deals were not much different from the former slave owners of the Confederate South. When China gave the Lama a good kick in the pants, did he stay and fight until he won ? No he chickened off like the coward he is, leaving the ordinary Tibetan to deal with the shit left behind and to have a few of his elite trained in terrorist activity by the CIA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOhDBo6x2ZY
peace loving, non-violent ?
 
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It will be highly embarrassing if some rebel athletes decide to use it as a chance to protest against Tibet. I wouldn't put it past some of them.

Chinese officials already said they will boot any athlete out of the country, that tries anything remotely resembling a protest.
 
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