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Chekov... brain damage?

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It seems like after his bump in TVH, things weren't quite right with Pavel.

Specifically, two instances in TUC:

1. "Why not simpwy waperize them?"
2. "If the shoe fits..."

I mean, isn't he supposed to be the Chief of Security?? Yet he makes basic blunders, such as not realizing a phaser at maximum setting sets off alarms and that Crewman Dax obviously couldn't wear standard-issue magnetic boots (giving Dax an easy excuse out of space walks!).

And on another note, Chekov should've disciplined Valeris for firing a maximum-setting phaser in a crowded room (and distroying that poor chef's pot!).

But seriously, he embarrassed himself and was shown up by that snippy little Vulcan. Tsk tsk
 
davidant32 said:
It seems like after his bump in TVH, things weren't quite right with Pavel.

Specifically, two instances in TUC:

1. "Why not simpwy waperize them?"
2. "If the shoe fits..."

I mean, isn't he supposed to be the Chief of Security?? Yet he makes basic blunders, such as not realizing a phaser at maximum setting sets off alarms and that Crewman Dax obviously couldn't wear standard-issue magnetic boots (giving Dax an easy excuse out of space walks!).

And on another note, Chekov should've disciplined Valeris for firing a maximum-setting phaser in a crowded room (and distroying that poor chef's pot!).

But seriously, he embarrassed himself and was shown up by that snippy little Vulcan. Tsk tsk
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Compared to Worf?

Chekov is okay.
 
As some clever people have pointed out (and I whack myself at the head occasionally with a wiffle bat for not catching this), Valeris' firing on that pot would be a perfect way for her to hide the fact that she had already used that phaser for dirty work. Any futuristic equivalents of "gunpowder residue tests" would now be useless, as would basic fingerprinting or analyses on when the phaser was last fired.

Now, all we have to assume is that Valeris set up that situation. Which simply means that Chekov was a clever accomplice. I mean, what did he ever do to thwart the plot in ST6? All he really achieved was hinder the efforts of our heroes!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Addendum: I hadn't read through the early script on TrekCore before. Ye Gods, that's a superb piece of writing! I really wonder why they didn't shoot it like that...? The repeated flashbacks may be a bit annoying, but they make perfect sense there, unlike in the DE version of the final script.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Timo said:
As some clever people have pointed out (and I whack myself at the head occasionally with a wiffle bat for not catching this), Valeris' firing on that pot would be a perfect way for her to hide the fact that she had already used that phaser for dirty work. Any futuristic equivalents of "gunpowder residue tests" would now be useless, as would basic fingerprinting or analyses on when the phaser was last fired.

Now, all we have to assume is that Valeris set up that situation. Which simply means that Chekov was a clever accomplice. I mean, what did he ever do to thwart the plot in ST6? All he really achieved was hinder the efforts of our heroes!

Timo Saloniemi
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Would that test have obliterated DNA traces, though?
 
davidant32 said:
It seems like after his bump in TVH, things weren't quite right with Pavel.

Specifically, two instances in TUC:

1. "Why not simpwy waperize them?"
2. "If the shoe fits..."

I mean, isn't he supposed to be the Chief of Security?? Yet he makes basic blunders, such as not realizing a phaser at maximum setting sets off alarms and that Crewman Dax obviously couldn't wear standard-issue magnetic boots (giving Dax an easy excuse out of space walks!).

And on another note, Chekov should've disciplined Valeris for firing a maximum-setting phaser in a crowded room (and distroying that poor chef's pot!).

But seriously, he embarrassed himself and was shown up by that snippy little Vulcan. Tsk tsk
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I miss Chekov's character. I hope Trek XI will view him in the same manner.
 
Was it ever stated that Checkov was Security Chief throughout the Movies cause in all of them he wears the division colour for Navigation and Sciences, even in TWOK. His posts have mainly been the Navigation station but we have also seen him on the Tactical station in TMP but I don't think it's ever implied that he's in Security, maybe that was just a small stint?
 
Crewman47 said:
Was it ever stated that Checkov was Security Chief throughout the Movies cause in all of them he wears the division colour for Navigation and Sciences, even in TWOK. His posts have mainly been the Navigation station but we have also seen him on the Tactical station in TMP but I don't think it's ever implied that he's in Security, maybe that was just a small stint?
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According to Memory Alpha:

Upon returning to the 23rd century, Chekov and his shipmates faced court martial for their actions. However, they were eventually cleared of all charges, and Chekov was reassigned as the new navigator and security chief on the Enterprise-A (Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home)

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Pavel_Chekov
 
...Of course, this, like much of Memory Alpha, is pure speculation.

For all we know, none of the heroes in ST6 were actually "assigned" anything, but were merely assembled together for a very special mission, perhaps at Kirk's personal behest.

We see in ST6 that Chekov sits at the helm/nav console at times, and assists Spock with the investigation at times. Whether this means he's the navigator, or perhaps the First Officer (with Spock just an observer and diplomatic liaison?), or the Chief of Security, or the local investigative consultant for NCIS from the Science Department... Nobody knows.

All we really see is that he wears a grey collar, the same as Uhura. He wore that when serving as the supposed XO and/or CSO of the Reliant, too. By the originally intended scheme of costume designer Bob Fletcher, grey stands for "Sciences", which include the arts of navigation, communications as well as generic sciences. A Security Chief should be wearing dark green by Fletcher's definition. But Fletcher's intentions were never explicated on screen, and alternate explanations can be offered if need be.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Timo said:
For all we know, none of the heroes in ST6 were actually "assigned" anything, but were merely assembled together for a very special mission, perhaps at Kirk's personal behest.
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That would not seem to be consistent with Kirk's first line.

Timo said:
... Spock just an observer and diplomatic liaison?
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That doesn't work. Kirk wouldn't have left him in command when he left the ship. Kirk simply wouldn't do that. Besides, Spock refers to himself as being a member of the Enterprise crew when talking to Valeris. He specifically phrases it to leave the door open to future missions (movies), but not as a member of the crew.
 
Perhaps what ever made Chekov loopy will be shown in the new movie.

Clearly he already had brain-damge when he wore that hair piece in season 2.

MCoy--"Listen son, I know that regulations state you can grow your hair longer this second year of our mission, but just let it grow out, don't wear that...that...atrocity!"

Chekov----"Is that an order sir?"

McCoy----"An order? Well no I can't order you..."

Chekov----"Fine then. My dewision is made." Leaves sickby.

McCoy-----"Dewision?"
 
Well, he operated on Spock's brain, too, yet never did manage to get it organized to his liking.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Peach Wookiee said:
Timo said:
As some clever people have pointed out (and I whack myself at the head occasionally with a wiffle bat for not catching this), Valeris' firing on that pot would be a perfect way for her to hide the fact that she had already used that phaser for dirty work. Any futuristic equivalents of "gunpowder residue tests" would now be useless, as would basic fingerprinting or analyses on when the phaser was last fired.
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Would that test have obliterated DNA traces, though?
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It wouldn't obliterate any traces of Valeris's DNA. What it would do is to obliterate the informational content of finding those DNA traces. Suppose the investigation found the murder-weapon phaser had Valeris's skin cells on it: well, of course it had those skin cells --- everybody saw her with the phaser using it for a showy but innocuous use. The actual killer, the conclusion would be, used a different phaser or concealed his or her traces.
 
Nebusj said:
Peach Wookiee said:
Timo said:
As some clever people have pointed out (and I whack myself at the head occasionally with a wiffle bat for not catching this), Valeris' firing on that pot would be a perfect way for her to hide the fact that she had already used that phaser for dirty work. Any futuristic equivalents of "gunpowder residue tests" would now be useless, as would basic fingerprinting or analyses on when the phaser was last fired.
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Would that test have obliterated DNA traces, though?
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It wouldn't obliterate any traces of Valeris's DNA. What it would do is to obliterate the informational content of finding those DNA traces. Suppose the investigation found the murder-weapon phaser had Valeris's skin cells on it: well, of course it had those skin cells --- everybody saw her with the phaser using it for a showy but innocuous use. The actual killer, the conclusion would be, used a different phaser or concealed his or her traces.
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Good point.
 
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