They already did that...
It's called "RIVERDALE"
(and completely changed one of my favorite comics as a kid)
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It's called "RIVERDALE"
(and completely changed one of my favorite comics as a kid)
I kind of agree. Teens prefer young adult stuff and it keeps going up until you reach a age when you can't even relate to the modern world anymore so you just watch old stuff,news,sports and a handfull of shows that are retro. About the only time people who are older like teens or kids is if is a period piece or is set around the time you were a kid like people my age and our love for "Stranger Things." Jason
My favorite part about one of my favorite movies, Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead, was that it got to have its cake and eat it too. Christina Applegate played a 17-year-old who was pretended to be an adult so she could get a job at a fashion designer company. I loved that. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it, you'll like it. David Duchovny is in there too, but he's not a main character.
In the case of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the characters are in high school (at least for the first three seasons) but the show isn't about high school. Same with something like Back to the Future where it's not really about high school so much as meeting your parents when they were your age. So I have no problem with anything about younger characters.
I think the main issue I have with something taking place in school is "adult supervision". You'll have the one token cool adult, but the rest of them are just speed bumps. They keep the main characters, the kids, from being able to do anything.
That and I just had a nightmare the other day, where suddenly I was back in my high school in the hallway playing hooky, except I was the age I am now, and then there was a hall monitor who looked exactly the same as he did when I was in high school, stood dead center in the hallway and yelled, "WHERE ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE?!!!" And I woke right up.
Your Trek Fu is weak. Pike was only injured and disfigured.
They've been floating the academy idea since the Harv Bennett era. I suspect the whole idea behind David and Saavik was to introduce younger characters that would appeal to the "yoots".
"One beep for yes, two beeps for no" doesn't qualify as a form of death?
I've always believed there's a lot of potential here and never understood why fans seem so set against it. I don't think there's a better timeframe (age-wise) for exploring the human condition than young adulthood. And this is only augmented by the idea that instead of battling the fears and trepidation that come with going out into the world at staking one's claim becomes going out into the galaxy.
Also what how does one chose their path in life where literally the whole universe is open to them and they're not burdened with the baseline of having to provide for themselves. And then this, in turn, can explore the augment that ambition is directly tied to the survival instinct.
Also what how does one chose their path in life where literally the whole universe is open to them and they're not burdened with the baseline of having to provide for themselves. And then this, in turn, can explore the augment that ambition is directly tied to the survival instinct.
That's because there isn't a lot of thematic potentials to mine there. Doing the "exploring the pitfalls of coming of age" just works better for high school ages and the "exploring the pitfalls of learning how to adult" works better with twentysomethings (or at the very least post-grads.) College-age is kind of a void stuck between them.
I liked Jud Aptow's "Undeclared." The spiritual sequel to "Freaks and Geeks." I did think of another way to go with the academy idea. A anthology series set across time were you use the same standing sets. Do 6 episodes a year so you can get movie stars and have movie quality special effects. Jason
I think the way to go would be to use Potter as a structural template. Pretty much any high school/college/classroom series or film that does work only uses the school as the set-piece. But part of the allure for a Trek show is actually learning about all the Star Trek stuff along with the characters in the classroom.
The big problem becomes where do the conflict and adventure come from?
So really I think the ideal way to do a young person Star Trek show would be something more akin to Lower Decks, but that's not really an option now.
The big problem becomes where do the conflict and adventure come from?
So really I think the ideal way to do a young person Star Trek show would be something more akin to Lower Decks, but that's not really an option now.
Imagine Starfleet Academy with a rebooted TOS cast. You've got Kirk with his traumatic past on Tarsus IV to deal with, Carol Marcus as his love interest, Finnegan as his chief nemesis etc. Spock's family issues are legend, and we could even include Sybok somehow as he's still untapped. McCoy's got a divorce to flesh out and a daughter we've yet to meet. Uhura's past is a blank slate. Sulu has Ben to meet and Demora to adopt down the line.
That can all carry a show set at Starfleet Academy, which like Buffy and Smallville all takes place between classes. And then you've got Kobayashi Maru's and worst-fear psych tests, cadet cruises and all sorts of other things.
The show writes itself.
That can all carry a show set at Starfleet Academy, which like Buffy and Smallville all takes place between classes. And then you've got Kobayashi Maru's and worst-fear psych tests, cadet cruises and all sorts of other things.
The show writes itself.
But as I said, both those shows had their adventures outside of the classroom to keep people interested. And the main characters had superpowers. How do you justify annual world-ending big bads on Star Trek Earth and having ordinary college kids fight them?
There really is no justification for world ending threats anyway. It's getting rather absurd.
But, having read several academy style books I think it can be made to work.
As would Starfleet Academy. It can have adventures on other planets, ships and space stations (and recycle existing sets for the other STU shows)
Vulcan mind powers? 23rd century technology? Kirk Fu? Easily matched.
The same way you do on Buffy and Smallville.
Read the old Starfleet Academy YA novels, or the TNG SFA book, or William Shatner's Star Trek Academy book or the Kelvinverse SFA YA books. They all show how it's done. Kirk, McCoy and Uhura even take down an advanced Borg scout on the loose in San Francisco in one of them. Kirk steals the Enterprise from spacedock in another. So much scope for epic huge things.
Worse than death.
The Academy idea has never really taken off... good luck if they try it.
10,000% agreed on the "school kid comes home just to tune in to watch... a bunch of fictional high school kids with fictional problems they can't or won't relate to but will watch cuz they're all hawt despite never ever getting a chance to date 'em anyway." That's why the best aftersk00l specials were cheaply drawn cartoons parodied by The Simpsons...
Gotta disagree. Splurging $8 mil per episode in a 10 episode season on a tween show seems ludicrous. (Okay, TOS was $190k per episode, which would - adjusted for inflation - amount to $1.4 million today (and said amount is double that accorded one episode of TNG and 1/5thof a DSC episode), but that show wasn't aimed at kids - and was heralded as adult sci-fi. Amazing how the definition of "adult" changes, which reminds me of how Tilly's claim to fame now fits in, but that's how most high school kids talk, in part because it's being all rebel-like and against the system, the only thing missing is the red jacket and denim jeans...
That's not what I said.
I didn't say Star Trek was geared toward tweens. I meant shows about school, like Saved By the Bell, are usually geared towards tweens.
Neither here nor there, but I did become a Star Trek fan when I was 11, so I was a tween. But even back then, I knew it was geared toward a larger audience.
Same here Lord Garth. I was watching TNG when I was around 11 as well.
We don't need to focus on Teens/College age kids necessarily, but having 1 younger kid / teen / college age kid is fine.
Just make them more Jake Sisko, not Wesley Crusher.
We don't need over achieving super kid, we just need a more realistic kid who does kid like things.
Just make them more Jake Sisko, not Wesley Crusher.
We don't need over achieving super kid, we just need a more realistic kid who does kid like things.
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