carolyn palamas, pregnant

[kirkshairpeice]

in one of the original scripts of who mourns for adonais? carolyn palamas was pregnant at the end of the episode with apollos child.kudos to those of you who can remember where this version seen print.hopefully this has not been covered by anyone yet

 

[22 Stars]

I once thought it would have been a brilliant springboard for a feature or TNG episode.

 

[Captain Dago]

Wasn't it in the Blish adaptation? It later became an important plot point in Peter David's New Frontier series.

 

[Search4]

It was in the James Blish version, paperback. I don't think there was any other reference in-series.

 

[Supervisor 194]

Could have been a bold, poignant end to the episode--but too much for 60s television.

 

[kirkshairpeice]

james blish it is,adapted from individual scripts ,some as the show was still being shot and changes in storylines etc, he pointed this out in his books and they give a more in depth look at how the final episodes were changed for airing. anyone remember the two planet-wrecker missiles fired from the enterprise at the end of operation-annihilate! check out the blish adaptons.its also interestingto note that he dedicated his first trek book to Harlan Ellison( to Harlan Ellison who was right all the time) refering to the Ellison-roddenberry fued over the rewrite of his script for ;city',

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, like the Ellison drug references in the original "City" script the pregnancy allusions in "Adonais" were cut out to please the NBC censors and elements in the audience who were at that time still kind of puritanical about issues of pregnancy and implied sexual relations.

 

[Esteban]

Yeah, like the Ellison drug references in the original "City" script the pregnancy allusions in "Adonais" were cut out to please the NBC censors and elements in the audience who were at that time still kind of puritanical about issues of pregnancy and implied sexual relations.

Not necessarily true, but it hews to the Roddenberry line as to how the "Network" and the "Censors" were the beasts.

In fact, it was the staff writers, which meant Coon and Fontana, who polished that era's scripts.

Though I always like the Preggy Palomas idea, I believe that was nixed in an early rewrite, not at the behest of the "Censors".

 

[alchemist]

It's hard to know why the tag was removed that discusses Carolyn's pregnancy. That scene, and another (muy caliente) scene that bookends it, survived intact in the script through the final draft polished by Coon.

 

[AJBryant]

Considering that "The Making of Star Trek" includes quotes of memos from the NBC censors ("no open-mouthed kisses", "when Captain Kirk knocks out the alien, can it be done without unnecessary violence?", etc. ), I can easily believe the network stepping in.

They were *very* heavy-handed in the sixties. Remember -- Lucy and Desi had to sleep in single beds, for God's sake.


Tony

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I once thought it would have been a brilliant springboard for a feature or TNG episode.

Isn't Mark McHenry from ST:New Frontier supposed to be her descendant?

 

[GSchnitzer]

It's hard to know why the tag was removed that discusses Carolyn's pregnancy. That scene, and another (muy caliente) scene that bookends it, survived intact in the script through the final draft polished by Coon.

Folks probably remember that the episode ends with Scene 178 and Captain Kirk saying "Would it have hurt us, I wonder...just to gather a few laurel leaves?" Then the scene shifts to the final scene, Scene 181:

181 EXT. SPACE - ENTERPRISE

speeding forward into the eternity of stars.

FADE OUT.

But what about the missing Scenes 179 and 180?

Here they are, from the Second Revised Final Draft, dated May 26, 1967:

After Kirk delivers his "laurel leaves" line, we come to:

179 EXT. SPACE - THE ENTERPRISE

moving rapidly through the wide field of stars.

180 INT. BRIDGE

Spock and Kirk are in conference at the command chair.
McCoy enters from behind them, looking somewhat be-
mused. He approaches then, stops. Kirk and Spock
look at him.

KIRK
Yes, Bones?

McCOY
I'm used to interesting problems
... but I've just been confronted
with a brand new one. Carolyn
Palamas became slightly ill at
breakfast this morning...

KIRK
Something going around?

MCCOY
I certainly hope not. I just
finished examining her. She's
pregnant.

KIRK
What?

Even Spock looks surprised.

MCCOY
You heard me.

KIRK
(beat)
Apollo?

McCOY
(nodding)
Apollo. Positively.

Kirk and Spock look stunned. McCOY continues, dryly.

McCOY
(continuing)
Now I'll give you an interesting
question to chew on. What will
the child be. Man? Or god?
(beat;
to Spock)
You want to try that on your
computer for size, Spock?

Kirk joint McCoy in staring at Spock. Spock's eye-
brow rise. He is at a loss for words. Kirk stares
back at McCoy. McCoy shrugs, as we


181 EXT. SPACE - ENTERPRISE

speeding forward into the eternity of stars.

FADE OUT.


Greg Schnitzer
Star Trek Phase II

 

[kirkshairpeice]

yes thats the blish version to.( by the way lucy and desi were in the 50s) but i seem to recall reading that the brass had a prob with kirk slipping on his boot in that shot from wink of an eye.

 

[Therin of Andor]

i seem to recall reading that the brass had a prob with kirk slipping on his boot in that shot from wink of an eye.

I seem to recall the production staff being surprised to be able to slip that one by them.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Isn't Mark McHenry from ST:New Frontier supposed to be her descendant?

Yep, but Mark's parent's demise was briefly mention as happening at Camus II, so we don't know yet if something funny happened with that device Janice Lester once used on Kirk in "Turnabout Intruder".

 

[Forbin]

Did we ever see Lucy and Ricky's bedroom? I can't remember ever seeing it.

Now, Rob and Laura Petrie, on the other hand - MTM and Van Dyke once mentioned the clever gymnastics they'd have to do in a scene to make sure that if one of them ever sat on the other's bed in a dialog scene, one foot was on the floor at all times.

 

[Kirk here]

Here's a trivia question for you:

What TV couple was the first to be shown with *one* bed?

Honest answers, now. Don't Google it.

I tried to post the answer here in white-colored font, but I couldn't get the preview post to show it. How do you use HTML here?

 

[Cary L. Brown]

in one of the original scripts of who mourns for adonais? carolyn palamas was pregnant at the end of the episode with apollos child.kudos to those of you who can remember where this version seen print.hopefully this has not been covered by anyone yet

I believe that it is her offspring (or rather, her offspring's offspring) who plays a central role in the "New Frontiers" book series, isn't it? Not the lead character, but the ships' helmsman (in the early books at least).

EDIT - the character's name was Mark McHenry, FYI.

 

[GSchnitzer]

Here's a trivia question for you:

What TV couple was the first to be shown with *one* bed?

Honest answers, now. Don't Google it.

I tried to post the answer here in white-colored font, but I couldn't get the preview post to show it. How do you use HTML here?

Going strictly from memory, I think it was Herman and Lily Munster.

Greg Schnitzer
Star Trek Phase II

 

[Sir Rhosis]

IIRC, the first married couple shown in bed on a TV program were actually from the late-1940s -- "Johnny and ?" (? meaning I can't remember) might have been the name of the show. It's all but forgotten today.

Sir Rhosis