Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Janeway’s Girl, Oct 7, 2015.
Agreed. Not all vamps are evil. Most are but some are good and soulful.
I think this show might have been invented for the White Collar audience.
Is the devil evil?
For the first 14 billion years beautiful Lucifer was an Angel dutifully in the Lords service.
Gotta wonder what his supervillain origin was?
If the devil is evil, was he evil because of free will, or by gods design?
God needed someone to be evil to get the job done and move the story along and God picked Lucifer whether he liked it or not.
Some people are born evil, some achieve evil and others have evil thrust upon them.
The word "Whistleblower" comes to mind for some reason.
Actual Satanists, the little I know on the subject, in the real world and not Gothic fiction, believe more in God being an untrustworthy dick, than the Devil eating souls and planning on harming everybody else in a reign of terror and destruction.
Wait. Are you comparing Neal Caffrey to the Devil? Because no. Just no.
The show sounds interesting, but I expect it will go some kind of conflicted anti-hero route before too long. Still, it does sound fun and reminds me of Moorecock's 'Warhound and the World's Pain' so far as Lucifer getting tired of the same old same old goes.
Not evil, just peckish during the night.
The entire pilot for Lucifer was leaked online months ago, and the story is based (I'm assuming loosely?) on the DC Vertigo Comics Series of the same name, based on a spinoff character from Neil Gaimen's Sandman who just said "#### this" and walked away from his responsibilities in Hell.
And then there's this version of the Devil.
1. Is that Billy Crystal?
2. What is this from?
Yes. Billy Crystal from Deconstructing Harry (1997).
This is more recent.
(There's 5 more over at t'tube.)
Anyone else remember that old TV-movie pilot, POOR DEVIL, where Sammy Davis Jr. played a bumbling soft-hearted devil, much to the annoyance of Lucifer, as played by Christopher Lee?
I remembering liking it as a kid.
Okay. That was funny!
R.I.P. Mr. Fluffy.
Watched the rest. His speech was sweet. Then the ending got weird.
Okay season 0 has started 2 episodes in.
Episode 3 is up!
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You are the thread commander.
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I didn't know making a thread involved so much work but okay. Go forth and watch!
'The Crimson Horror', best use of a Doctor Who reference, ever.
"Moonblood" made me laugh.
Then there was a niggle in the back of my head... "Moon Bloodgood is a real person".
Are her parents monsters?
Birth name = "Korina Moon Bloodgood".
Her parents are monsters.
Susan is still Susan.
That means that hir appearance should be less androgenic?
I'm not sure about their appearance being different, but Perry does slip calling LaF Susan from time to time, as well. It's also possible this takes place before they start calling themself LaFontaine rather than Susan. I found the reference to the music and light interesting.
I wonder if Perry does have some extra-sensory powers which the hyper-normal attitude is an effort to hide or suppress them? It could make a possible way to deal with the Dean in season 3 and/or help get the Dean out of Perry's head.
Sorry, I wasn't clear with my suspicions.
I think that this is set before Susan's transformation/evolution into LaFointaine.
Moreso, I think that we are going to see the change occur.
We'll be there like a fly on the wall at ground zero.
And moreso, moreso I think that this levelling up is going to involve an extreme hair cut.
"Susan (**Snip-snip**) No, more!"
I just had some fearful thoughts.
What if the lax gender imprecision LaFontaine personifies later on in the earlier seasons isn't just a choice she made after introspection? What if at the end of this bloodharvest, Susan is the final sacrifice who has to come to terms with new physical realities?
If they're fighting a God again, someone (Susan) may have to give this God all their periods (either contractually over the course of a normal life span, or by squashing time into a red jet and knocking back 40 years of Carrie at the prom in one compact shot glass) to kill it, or fatten the blood God up till it rolls away for a hundred years, or Susan takes over as the new God/dess, and it never stops. A (classical) Goddess of menstruation should logically always be menstruating right?
Having babies in the modern world doesn't define a modern woman as a modern woman, but if you won't (because of magic) stop menstruating, you can never become pregnant, and therefore (because even the most enlightened of us are aware of the most traditional thinking) get all questiony about what is a woman and why you are or are not a woman.
Laf could have an interesting role in this or the third season, more likely, if the show goes further into its Sumerian mythology. So far, the prayer/spell used to revive Danny is a line from Gilgamesh where Inanna/Ishtar is threatening to cause chaos on Earth by raising the dead to consume the living unless dad/Anu helps her get revenge on Gilgamesh. The seven gates are likely from another Sumerian myth of Inanna/Ishtar, the Descent of Ishtar into the Underworld. It had seven gates to pass through.
While Ishtar is trapped there, she being the goddess of love/fertility, there is no sexual activity on Earth. That result would fit into this season zero story, but that aside, the gods create a genderless/non-binary being to go rescue Ishtar. If the show is playing with Sumerian mythology, Perry could end up being host or connection to some larger power and LaFontaine could turn out being the one to the rescue?
In season one, the Dean had Laura and Perry held aside from the ceremony. Laura thought it was for vampire snacks. But, could this season give some more reason for that? I would guess Laura was held over as a hold over Carmilla, but could Perry have been held because she has some deeper connection to the Dean's bigger plan with the seven gates she wants to open?
Hopefully, some of that made sense.
1. If Perry is connected to great power, did that make her a more attractive host for the dean, or should it have acted as an immunity to vampiric possession?
2. Perry is Lola's surname? Is that new or previously established? IMBD says that Perry is Lola, so unless some nerd changed that factoid 15 minutes ago, I'm just going to have to attribute her atypical nomenclature to me being unobservant.
1 Wait and see, I don't know if the Dean is an ordinary vampire, though. I think only LaF called her one at the end of the first season and that from her being Carm's mother in death, presumably.
2 I am pretty sure it is. Perry, at least is from the novel, Madame Perradon is the motherly governess of Laura, and Mademoiselle LaFontaine is a younger finishing governess for Laura.
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