I´s been a long time since I´ve watched Caretaker but there´ something that bugs me. Ocampa do not seem to be only one who are suffering from low supplies of water and food. Kazons are displaying simillar concerns and even Neelix is amazed when he discovers how much water is on Voyager. So, does this mean that this huge area of Delta quadrant is full of planets transformed to deserts by Caretaker´s technology? That doesn´t seem to be consistent with a lot of worlds even in first two seasons and it doesn´t make sense that space traveling cultures would choose such worlds as colonies without constant supplies. Or have I the whole thing messed up?
Actually, the only Kazon who were ever said to be suffering from a lack of water were the small posse camping on the Ocampa homeworld. And it's not even really said they would have lacked the technology to produce water. Rather, they are shown to be amazed by our heroes' ability to materialize water tanks out of thin air - an ability the Kazon civilization in general indeed lacks. So I wouldn't rush to conclusions based on "Caretaker". Finding a stranded US Army squad short of water in the middle of Iraq doesn't mean the United States would have no water reserves and would be incapable of producing water through purification or oxidation of hydrogen. Timo Saloniemi
The ocampans had plenty of water in their underground city. it is possible that there were just no M-class planets around and without replicators that means no water.
Let me be big-headed enough to quote from my own website, the Kes Website at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/ where I do have a page about Voyager mysteries and how to solve them:
Thing is when Calluh was trying to create alliance of kazon sects he mentioned water once again altough he could simply refer to it as a basic need. One can dislike early seasons of Voyager for many reasons but I must at least give them credit for portraying their initial path as dangerous underdeveloped wasteland.It certainly had some interesting potentials...
Didn't the Kazon mention that in their region of space the sects horde supplies and in order to aquire them you have to make deals or kill for it? So we can assume one Kazon sect is hording all the water from the others and using it as leverage over the other sects & natives of that part of the Quaderant. Isn't that how the Kazon operate?
Agreed - with emphasis on the fact that the Kazon on the planetary surface were the ones short on water, not the Kazon elsewhere in the quadrant. Apart from that sorry posse, and from Neelix who had spent most of his time stalking those dirty sods and looking for an opening to free Kes, the only person to raise the issue of water is indeed Culluh in trying to forge an alliance in "Maneuvers". But this is what he has to say: So it's really the replicators and transporters they are after, not the magic technology of water purifiers... I wonder if the writers of "Caretaker" ever seriously considered making the Kazon "the folks who seek for water"? It is not clear from the pilot script whether there was such a misguided intention, or whether the thirst of the surface posse was just an incidental detail that wasn't intended to characterize an entire adversary species. It's a good thing in any case that the lack of water did not come to characterize the Kazon in general (even if the lack of bathing perhaps did). Timo Saloniemi
are you actualy using information from a role playing book???????? Sorry lady, books aren't canon, especialy ROLE PLAYONG BOOKS. But thanks for that laugh
If you do read my post carefully, you will see that: 1) The role-playing book is mentioned only because it happen to contain the most detailed information about the Ocampa system, canon or not. 2) My theory about the water-problems is not based on that one, single book but all sources put together, most notably the TV episode itself. So why mock me for coming up with a theory which is actually believable? Besides that, I'm not a lady but I'm sure that you already know that.
no, role playing is a GAME. To base a theory about something in a show on something that not only isn't canon, but is realy just a silly game is rediculous
RPGs and fanfiction are not canon, but many times RPG players and fanfic writers work out explanations for canon that isn't as clear as it could be. Nothing wrong with Lynx posting his explanation, and it reads perfectly plausible to me.
if you think it's plausible that's cool. The beauty of an online forum is that we all have different opinions. But I still think that it's beyond silly to base a theory on a role playing game.
The point is that my theory isn't based on the Role Playing Game book. The only thing that this book states which wasn't stated in the TV episode or in the book "Caretaker" is that there are six planets in the Ocampa system, four rocky planets without water or ice, the planet Ocampa and a gas giant. Nothing more, and I do think that this assumption is believable. But my theory wasn't based on that alone. We all know that the Kazon on the Ocampa planet had problems finding water despite having decent spaceships and Neelix was facing the same problem. Therefore I found it accurate to come up with an explanation that the planets in the Ocampa system couldn't provide water or ice and that the shortage of water also may be caused by a siege from some other Kazon sect. I still think that it is a plausible explanation. Exodus wrote: Yes I am! I like it here.
Hmm...I think Lynx is just giving proper credit, that this theory did not arise complete from the his mind, but is based instead on external sources outside of ST. Had Lynx not given credit to a RPG, would that have made it more plausible? One of the ways that RPGs are successful, is the detail to the worlds that they bring. While an episode of ST may only be an hour long and follow a set narrative, an RPG can be many hours between releases of manuals and follow no set narrative. This demands that the RPG provide an extensive basis and backstory for all characters and scenarios. Frankly, I think that the character descriptions and history of an RPG would be more internally consistent than those of a more traditional narrative. Theories can, of course, come from many sources. Before we continue to provide further discussion, should there be any other sources which should not be admitted?
It's been a while since we had a good canon debate. I really can't think of anything more utterly pointless that's been argued so much.