Captain Scott in III?
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^Broccoli has it right, I think...
On a Trek fan discussion board? It's everything!
Thanks for the answers, I totally missed that remark.
But what I noticed today, when I watched the beginning of ST IV, he wears the commander-insignia again. Even in the end, when the entire crew is beeing summoned before the council.
Have TPTB mixed that up or was Scotty demoted since he only served a few days on the Excelsior?
But what I noticed today, when I watched the beginning of ST IV, he wears the commander-insignia again. Even in the end, when the entire crew is beeing summoned before the council.
Have TPTB mixed that up or was Scotty demoted since he only served a few days on the Excelsior?
^No clue. But Scotty's wearing his captain's pins again in TFF during the party at the end with the Klingons.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch14/thefinalfrontier1159.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch14/thefinalfrontier1159.jpg
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Lord Garth
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Maybe the promotion was taken away after the theft, then given back after the trial.
If Scotty's still wearing the Commander insignia on the bridge of the Enterprise at the end of ST IV, then all I can say is, sometimes paperwork takes a while to sign, fill out, yadda, yadda, and only moves as fast as it is considered a priority. Unfortunately, I know this first hand.
If Scotty's still wearing the Commander insignia on the bridge of the Enterprise at the end of ST IV, then all I can say is, sometimes paperwork takes a while to sign, fill out, yadda, yadda, and only moves as fast as it is considered a priority. Unfortunately, I know this first hand.
In my personal canon, I say that he really didn't like being a captain, and tried using this as an excuse to demote himself to commander. But when Starfleet got wind of it, they said "Sorry, you got to go back to being a captain." So the captain's insignia came back on.
Then Scotty got drunk.
Then Scotty got drunk.
Maybe it was only temporary promotion while he was assigned to the Excelsior and he was later made a Captain anyway.
Charlie
Charlie
Given that the combined running time of the scene with the crew in the travel pod and the scene with them on the bridge runs maybe 2-3 minutes, they probably didn't think it was important enough to fix. Kirk's uniform still has its gold piping along the black outline of the flap, even though he's now wearing captain's insignia.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvh/ch17/tvh1074.jpg
A big oops. Sorry about that. 
So in the end, we're left with three basic approaches:
1) Honest YATI screwup, nothing to be done about it.
2) Scotty did get promoted in ST3 - but when he stole the ship, he didn't pack his new insignia with him, but instead used his old clothing that was still aboard the Enterprise, insignia and all. On return, he did get demoted one step (because it was so easy, the ink on the paperwork not being dry yet), and everybody else got their upcoming promotions put on ice as well (because that was easy, too, while revoking their long-established rank would have been difficult). To the outside audiences, it looked as if Kirk was the only one to get a demotion, but of course Starfleet would want to punish everybody behind the scenes.
3) Scotty never had the right to wear Captain pins to begin with. In his optimism, he simply misunderstood his orders in ST3 and boarded the Excelsior wearing the wrong insignia.
Timo Saloniemi
1) Honest YATI screwup, nothing to be done about it.
2) Scotty did get promoted in ST3 - but when he stole the ship, he didn't pack his new insignia with him, but instead used his old clothing that was still aboard the Enterprise, insignia and all. On return, he did get demoted one step (because it was so easy, the ink on the paperwork not being dry yet), and everybody else got their upcoming promotions put on ice as well (because that was easy, too, while revoking their long-established rank would have been difficult). To the outside audiences, it looked as if Kirk was the only one to get a demotion, but of course Starfleet would want to punish everybody behind the scenes.
3) Scotty never had the right to wear Captain pins to begin with. In his optimism, he simply misunderstood his orders in ST3 and boarded the Excelsior wearing the wrong insignia.
Timo Saloniemi
The council scenes were also filmed a whole two years later. I'm not sure what this has to do with Captain Styles.
Except that Scotty had captain's pins on his bomber jacket in TSFS from that scene in the Excelsior engine room up through the end of the movie on Vulcan. He's wearing the same jacket during roll call at the beginning of TVH, but he's switched back to his commander's pins.
Sorry. I mentally combined two anecdotes there.
If we want to go by that "theory", then Scotty simply had a number of those jackets (they are regulation uniforms, after all), and the one he had access to after going AWOL had his old pins, while the one with Captain pins was left behind.
Could be "special dispensation" for a man of such an odd career path. Or could be that the piping is not related to rank, but to service achievement of other sort - achievement that Kirk had accumulated and his demotion would not negate.
We do have our share of odd piping discrepancies elsewhere, like between the Commodore jackets of Stone and Mendez. Piping in the TOS movie uniforms is redundant in any case for portraying rank, and could be interpreted to have another meaning.
Timo Saloniemi
^Except that he doesn't have the piping in the next film.
You don't need to rationalize everything, Timo.
You don't need to rationalize everything, Timo.
