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Spoilers Captain Lorca and Don Draper ("Mad Men" and DSC Spoilers)

Lord Garth

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Discovery is modelling itself after Prestige/Peak TV and, with that in mind, I've noticed some similarities and parallels between Captain Lorca and Don Draper. I wonder how much of an inspiration Don Draper was for crafting Lorca?

I don't know if you've seen Mad Men but in the first season, we find out that Don Draper the suave, mysterious, philandering 1960s New York ad-man and Creative Director of Sterling Cooper Advertising Agency isn't who he says he is.

For anyone who already knows the details of Don's backstory, feel free to skip the next several paragraphs, until the next time I use bold.

He started off as a poor hick out in coal country whose real name is Dick Whitman. His birth-mother was a prostitute and his parents always reminded him he was a "whore child". His life wasn't that great (to put it mildly), he had no real future, and he joined the army to get away from it all. He was sent to Korea at the beginning of the Korean War.

Dick Whitman was out in the battle-field with a battalion of a grand total of two people: himself and his CO (the real Don Draper). Dick was scared piss-less. Literally. The Koreans attacked, throwing grenades, and they ran for cover in a ditch. After the attack let up, Dick took out a cigarette, threw down the cigarette, the urine caught fire, IIRC, worked its way to a grenade then the Real Don Draper was caught in the explosion and burned beyond recognition.

Dick Whitman, who already didn't want to be there, and was traumatized, swapped dog tags with the now burned, charred and unrecognizable Don Draper and everyone now thought he was Don Draper and that it was Dick Whitman who died.

Did I need to type all that out? No, but I like telling the story. So anyway... "Dick Whitman" is buried and his family thinks he's dead. Whereas "Don Draper" was near end of his tour of duty and was sent home to recover from his minor injuries.

So, with no more Korean War to worry about, being discharged from the service, and having severed all ties to his past, "Don Draper" (no quotations from here on out) was free to start a new life with a new identity from scratch and, over the next 10 years, worked his way up to being the New York Ad Man we know him to be in the series.

End of recapping Don Draper's Past. On with the show and the comparison to Discovery.

Don Draper has lied about who he is, he's masquerading as a dead man, and lied to work his way into a position of authority (how he got his job is a whole other story that I didn't recap). He also escaped -- no, deserted -- a war.

Captain Lorca is a Terran pretending to be a Human, he's masquerading as a dead man (possibly and very most likely), and by pretending to be someone else, effectively lied his way into a position of authority as Captain of Discovery.

By making it sound like he was the sole survivor of the Buran -- it's not an exact parallel -- but it also makes Lorca arguably look like a deserter. Similar to Don Draper deserting Korea.

Finally, Lorca tries to keep who he is a secret from Cornwell just like Don tries to keep who he is a secret from his wife, Betty. But both Cornwell and Betty know there's something going with their lovers and they can't really tell who their partners really are.
 
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Too bad we have to wait a year for the second season of Discovery.

But, on another note, I'm about to re-watch the entirety of Mad Men again soon, this time with some friends. The goal is to make it through all seven seasons. It'll probably take a while because we all have busy lives. And seven seasons! But it'll be fun.
 
By making it sound like he was the sole survivor of the Buran -- it's not an exact parallel -- but it also makes Lorca arguably look like a deserter.

It could be even worse - perhaps MU Lorca deliberately destroyed the Buran (assuming the Lorcas simply exchanged Burans while they were each beaming up - like the landing party in "Mirror, Mirror") so that his secret would not be exposed? :eek:

I mean, it's not like there's any evidence left to DISprove his story, amirite? And given what we later learn about MU Lorca, it's totally within his wheelhouse.
 
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I've actually wondered about that too. He probably would've and he would've used an attack from the Klingons as cover. If they were ever willing to do one-off specials or "TV" movies -- like VOY's "Dark Frontier" -- this would be a good choice for a story.
 
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Side note:

Jon Hamm as Captain Christopher Pike.

You KNOW you want it.

Amen!
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I gotta say -- I was watching the Black Mirror episode with John Hamm, and couldn't get over the fact that his delivery and facial expressions were totally those of Jason Isaacs / Lorca.

So, yeah, I get it.
 
Oh yes, I totally see it. The two characters have a lot in common. The deception, the ruthlessness, the cunning, the impressive competence, the dangerous charisma. Both are sexy as hell despite being basically bastards. Skilled at manipulation -- of colleagues, rivals and women smart enough to know better. Yet capable of moments of compassion. More flawed and selfish than outright evil (at least until Lorca became evil). Both played by really great actors capable of that much nuance. If only Lorca had remained complex to the end as Draper did. It is an excellent example of having a protagonist who is not really a nice guy but is complicated enough that you can still keep rooting for him ... sort of ... wondering if he would evolve ... and never get tired of wondering what his next move would be. Exactly the kind of character I hoped Lorca would be, for as many years, too. You can't always get what you want.
 
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I am a huge Mad Men fan. I count it as one of my all time favorite one hour dramas. Yes, there is quite a few similarities between Don and Gabriel. Their ability to deceive and engage in self serving manipulation are equally epic.

But there were also a few differences. Had Don been assigned to the DISCO, I predict that he would have been juggling Burnham, Landry, and Tilly at the same time and none would have been aware of the other, all while actually being married to Cornwell (after deciding she was his "dream" woman while she was conducting his psych evaluation).

Also, I don't think we saw Gabriel take one drink. Don, in a drunken stupor, would likely have done something like accidently given coordinates to the helmsman which would have sent the ship straight into a gas giant or something. Don would likely have used the spore drive for things like jumping to Risa multiple Friday nights for happy hours.

But seriously, they were both supremely flawed men who both actually seemed to know they were, but were unwilling to address those flaws.
 
Lorca and Tilly? That would just be too weird. Way too weird. Unless Lorca, channeling Don, did it as a one-night stand which then would've infuriated Tilly afterwards. I could see Tilly reacting the same way Allison did, early on in the fourth season, when she rightfully stormed off from Don. "YOU ARE NOT A NICE PERSON!" She wouldn't have stayed on board. And it never would've been long term.

Landry and Cornwell would go on for a while. Cornwell would be like Faye: the high-up independent career woman. Landry would be like Midge: she's had to live with the tough life.

Pegging down Michael is tough. No pun intended. She can't be Peggy because Don would never become involved with her. At least not as a love interest for Lorca. Michael can be like Peggy in the sense that everyone on Discovery doubted her because she was a mutineer, then she proved herself and eventually had her rank back restored. Everyone doubted Peggy because she was a woman so she also proved herself, and then rose through the ranks.
 
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Had Don been assigned to the DISCO, I predict that he would have been juggling Burnham, Landry, and Tilly at the same time and none would have been aware of the other, all while actually being married to Cornwell (after deciding she was his "dream" woman while she was conducting his psych evaluation).

Also, I don't think we saw Gabriel take one drink. Don, in a drunken stupor, would likely have done something like accidently given coordinates to the helmsman which would have sent the ship straight into a gas giant or something. Don would likely have used the spore drive for things like jumping to Risa multiple Friday nights for happy hours..

Keep in mind the different context. I think Mirror Lorca WOULD have been screwing everyone he could get his hands on if it wouldn't have blown his cover. In my head canon, Landry was hardly the only one. If Burnham hadn't gotten involved with Tyler, he definitely would have tried to move things in that direction. I don't think Tilly was his type; he clearly likes ladies with a hard edge.

Do you not remember Lorca plying Cornwell with alcohol? But Lorca clearly didn't have the *problem* with alcohol that Draper did. That would get you booted off a Starfleet ship and get you killed in the Mirrorverse. However, I laughed out loud at the mental vision of Lorca throwing on a floral shirt for a few hours of whiskey and women on Risa. Thank you for that.
 
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