Can Jeremy Corbyn stop no deal??

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  1. StametsFungi

    StametsFungi Commander Red Shirt

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    So it's emerged this morning that Corbyn wants to become temporary prime minister to stop a no deal Brexit. I'm no fan of Corbyn but at this point I'll accept anything if it means stopping a no deal Brexit.

    The far right people who want a no deal Brexit will never support him anyway so he doesn't have to worry about annoying them.

    Will he be able to do it?
     
  2. Butters

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    Lots of people on the left voted to leave the EU. Labour voters. There is nothing far right about leaving the EU, that’s a deflection to prevent debate. Why engage with an debate when you can just label other opinions in to silence. There is no deal to be had, none has been negotiated and won’t be until we have left, the WA is not a deal. Remaining in the EU will cause far more problems long term than leaving it.

    If we don’t leave on the 31st October or before I and many many others will never vote again because it clearly makes no difference. I shudder to think what will happen then.
     
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  3. StametsFungi

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    Yes lots on the left voted to leave but it has since been hijacked by the far right unfortunately. It's absolutely a right wing project nowadays. I'm horrified at the prospect of no deal.

    I get what you're saying though.
     
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    Saying it is a right wing project doesn’t make it true. Self determination isn’t a left/right thing.
     
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  5. StametsFungi

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    No, but I can’t really think of anything ‘left’ that is coming out of Brexit.
     
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  6. Butters

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    Could that be because the left is focussed on stopping Brexit, rather than contributing to a successful one? You can hardly blame the Right for that.
     
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    Corbyn and Labour don't have the numbers in the House of Commons to stop anything, do they? The Tories hold a small majority and at best Labour has about 250-odd seats.

    Corbyn can get out on the stump and vocally campaign against a No Deal Brexit but I doubt Labour and disaffected Tories along with other parties could stop it if Boris Johnson is determined to let it happen.
     
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  9. Ethros

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    Ah yes, dub anyone who doesn't think exactly like you do "far right."
    I am liberal, but god the left have become horrible people.
     
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    LOL, sure you are, and I won't even bother with the logical fallacies
     
  11. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored That's not... ahhhh... logical, man Moderator

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    It's wrong to malign and stereotype entire groups of people.
    Immediately maligns and stereotypes an entire group of people. :techman:

    And yes, while not everyone who initially supported Brexit was Far Right, it has always had far greater support among conservatives, and the Far Right have radicalized the messaging behind Brexit from the outset, particularly the anti-immigrant stances, so pretending like supporting one is not also carrying water for the other doesn't really work out.

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  12. StametsFungi

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    ^ what LoB said.

    Also I’m not left wing. Not really.

    It’s hilarious that the last picture says “fair democracy” considering all the fraud etc surrounding the referendum win. We’re it legally binding it would have to be nullified.
     
  13. Butters

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    Yeah, we get it. Some people are dickheads, racists, bigots, xenophobia. But if that were true of seventeen and a half million people we’d have a completely different political landscape in the U.K. to what we actually have.

    The lies of the referendum are often trumpeted, but what fails to be acknowledged is that had the U.K. been given the choice at the Maastricht treaty, it would never have agreed to join in the first place.

    Everyone has their own reasons for their own decisions. Some don’t trust or respect our own politicians, with very good reason, why should they expect to trust another tier of politicians above them? Some don’t believe that centralisation and consolidation of power is ever a good thing. Some people are confused by crowds of painted faces waving their blue flag with golden stars extolling the evils of nationalism.

    It’s a complicated mess, but for most, immigration and red buses aren’t even a factor.
     
  14. StametsFungi

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    Thing is, a massive chunk of those people probably voted for it because they believe the NHS pledge, which Farage back tracked on the day after he won. Another chunk probably believed the whole 'easiest deal in history' thing, I'd hedge a bet a large chunk would switch their vote had they known how things would turn out.

    You're probably right here, can't argue with that.

    It's because I don't trust our politicans that I voted remain, the EU keeps them on a tight leash and insists we get things like gender equality, holiday time etc. It also sees money more fairly shared across the country. I don't trust our lot in Westminster to keep all that for a second.

    I wish i could believe that.

    But is every single Brexit voter racist? of-course not.
     
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  15. Dimesdan

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    He probably could, May could have done too as can [Alexander Boris de Pfeffel] Johnson given what the High Court have said and the European Courts of Justice in regards to Article 50 and "detriggering" it.

    Will he though? Given he's one of those Left-leaning types that don't like a more unified Europe, or even a Europe at it's present state of co-operation. It's unlikely

    There's more of a chance of Tarzan (Michael Heseltine) swinging in and stopping the thing, or (Kenneth) Clarke than Corbyn stopping the whole thing.

    Of course, I seem to be talking about Brexit itself, not No Deal, but hey ho, that should never have been on the table in the first place. - It's an absolute potential clusterfuck of a situation, but it's ok, when the UK gets its sovereignty back (which it never lost), Sterling will be so piss poor, stealing wheelbarrows will be in-vogue to move money to get a loaf of bread, "The will of the people" will be met and those who voted Leave will be happy as the UK separates and becomes a failed state.
     
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  16. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored That's not... ahhhh... logical, man Moderator

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    Less so now, but immigration was certainly a prime motivating factor at the time of the referendum. There's been a change in attitudes as more people have educated themselves and cut through the bullshit fearmongering propaganda somewhat.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...16b6a2-bcdb-11e8-8243-f3ae9c99658a_story.html

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-...why-it-is-now-receding-in-8-charts-1515414601
     
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  17. StametsFungi

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    I like to think from BoJos side it's a massive bluff anyway, he wont do it he just wants the EU thinking he'll do it.

    But I fear that's not the case.
     
  18. Butters

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    The thing with the NHS spending promise, neither campaign was in any position to promise anything. NHS funding is a matter of government policy. In or Out, no government ever won votes by diminishing the health service. No one is clamouring to privatise it, but having worked in it, I can see where it could learn from private sector methods.

    The no deal thing is a deception too. The only thing on the ballot was leave or remain. Leaving wasn’t conditional on an organisation that didn’t want us to leave giving us something it didn’t want to give.

    U.K. We’ll be leaving now, soon as you give us an acceptable deal we’ll be off.

    EU: But we’d rather you stayed if it’s all the same to you.

    U.K. Sorry, we’re off.

    EU: OK, byeeee.

    U.K. Erm, deal first, we’re not leaving without one.

    EU: That suits us, we’d rather you stayed any way.

    U.K. Fine then, we’ll stay. But we’ll have another referendum you know.

    EU: Naturally. But the leave vote will stay at home because the result won’t be respected anyway and Remain will win by a landslide.

    U.K. Win win, what could possibly go wrong? Drinks alround.
     
  19. Stoo

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    "if we don't punch ourselves in the balls RIGHT NOW I'm going to feel so betrayed"
     
  20. StarCruiser

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    As a "Yank" watching this from outside... I have no idea what difference it will really make whether there is a "deal" or "no deal".

    If the UK leaves the EU - I know there will be a need to reset the economic ties, along with some aspects of the political ties between the two but, it's not like there will be an immediate halt to all business, travel, diplomacy etc...

    I do know that there were some programs connecting the UK to the EU and there were regulatory connections as well but again, all of that can be worked out internally after Brexit is actually done. Having no "deal" beforehand probably doesn't mean as much as many would assume. If the politicians (and I know this is a bit of an issue) can simply agree to reestablish the pre-EU regulations and stop arguing - wouldn't that work for now?
     
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