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Box office downturn expected to continue

Yep too many "tent-pole" films fighting for our money. Other factors that might play into that is how much disposal income people have to spend on trips to the cinema as well.
 
It's one reason why I tend to prefer independent films these days. I find I get more value out of those. Plus, our cineplex is less fancy than the actual independent cinema.
 
There are too many so-called blockbusters, and the each are gone from the theatres within a couple weeks. That incentivizes spectacle over quality because you have to make the bulk of your revenues on opening weekend (before word-of-mouth can have much of a role).

There's also too much money in the average blockbuster. That almost inevitably leads to a bunch of corporate executives feeling the need to weigh-in. Television is much more conducive to creator-visions because the costs aren't so high that a flop will cripple corporate earnings.
 
I've got to wonder about ticket prices in all this. I went to see Fate of the Furious at 7pm in a major San Francisco multiplex in its third week of release, and the theater, which probably had 200 seats or so, only had an audience of about five. Five people, for the biggest movie in the world, at 7pm. Granted, the weather that day had been unusually beautiful, so moviegoing probably wasn't a big priority for many locals that night, but still: it was kind of nuts.

And the tickets were $12 - each more than a whole month of Netflix streaming. (And two tickets being significantly more than the $20 blu-ray pre-order, which these days includes a digital copy you can give to your friend.) It made me wonder what the room would look like if the price were reduced in a movie's third week to, say, $5? The theater might not make much profit at $5 per person, but how much could they possibly make with a near-empty theater?! Every empty seat is zero revenue, is it not? Not only zero tickets sold, but zero popcorn and snacks sold to those patrons who didn't come. Obviously, there's no sense in charging $5 in the first weekend or two of release if a whole crowd is willing to fill up the room for $12 apiece, but maybe differential pricing should kick in at some point. We're a city of app-makers; I'm sure someone could write an algorithm to fill some of those rooms at prices that motivate the public to leave their living rooms and streaming services while still making the theater money.
 
The danger in charging less in later weeks of a films run is that people might wait until the price comes down.
 
There used to be second run theatre's and driveins that would charge less for movies that had been out a while. But I agree, price is a major factor. It costs about $100 for me to take the family to a movie. And who wants to gamble that when a good movie is so rare? They need to bring the cost of production down to the pointwhere people can afford to go. Especially when youcan stream it to your living roomin a couple months.

Just a comment on theatre economics from someone who spend high school working in a small theatre chain, 90% of the door goes to the company making the move, theatres make their money on concession sals.
 
Rochester NY has a $1 movie theater, after like 6 weeks the movie shows up there. I think $2.50 on Friday and Saturday nights. It's in a great spot on the bus line between two colleges. But I always went to the "Little". It has 5-6 theaters, only one in the main building, a cafe and a bar (You can't drink in the movie because NY state is bullshit.) None of them 'blockbusters'. But you won't see anyone on their phone, their is no one talking or bringing their newborn baby to a three hour movie (Happen with Avatar.). It's the climate more than cost. I can make three at home for 5 cents, but I go get a $2-3 tea at a cafe for the atmosphere.

However that said I go out to eat for $10-12 a ticket, and food is better than a movie. The next Star Wars movie I'm thinking my cousin will get the blu-ray, my grandma the DVD and I'll take digital. That's $22 split three ways and it comes out 100 days after it launched.

Movie studios need to completely rethink how they make and release movies. Maybe less blockbusters (gasps) and have some weekends where just smaller films come out. "Summer" movies no begin February 15th, it's all very silly. Have a longer period between movie and home release. Make the experience better for fans.

One of the comments in the article was "Movie people hate Trump so much they no longer care about their trade". Because yeah that has EVERYTHING to do with it... shit I rolled my eyes out of my head...

Make better movies, make a better experience.
 
The danger in charging less in later weeks of a films run is that people might wait until the price comes down.
Perhaps, but if they charged a more reasonable rate early in a movie's release, and then introduced discounts later in their schedule, they might minimize such waiting, and net greater profits all around.

Movie studios need to completely rethink how they make and release movies. Maybe less blockbusters (gasps) and have some weekends where just smaller films come out.
I think in many cases, smaller movies are an increasingly tougher sell to theater-goers, because people figure they'll play just as well in addition to being much cheaper once they hit rental services.

Take Manchester by the Sea. Great movie, but I watched it on my laptop, and at no point felt that I was missing out on a key part of the experience. So why would I pay the same ticket price as an MCU tentpole to see it in theaters?
 
Take Manchester by the Sea. Great movie, but I watched it on my laptop, and at no point felt that I was missing out on a key part of the experience. So why would I pay the same ticket price as an MCU tentpole to see it in theaters?

I think you just have poor taste in movies. :P

But as we have seen countless times smaller movies have smaller budgets that they actually make more via their budget.
 
I've started going to the drive-in or waiting until it goes to the $1.50 theater or even on-demand unless it's something I REALLY want to see, like Star Trek or Star Wars. My girlfriend and I just saw Guardians 2/Beauty and the Beast at a double feature for $10 TOTAL. Rogue One tickets were the last time I went to theater outside of the Chattanooga film festival. 3D IMAX tickets were $18.50. That's just ridiculous.
 
It could just be that we are all weary of "must - see" films that follow a very similar premise:
1) Unspeakable evil
2) Plucky hero/heroes
3) Mass destruction
4) Resolution with hints leading to sequel

There's only so many ways to dress up that turkey.

Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2 did so by making a musical with very few serious moments.

Most filmmakers don't have the stones or the budget to play around like that.
 
I also think that the falling prices of a home theater contribute to people just waiting for a movie to come out on BluRay, or streaming. I'm not sure about Netflix, but Amazon lets you buy the movie for streaming a month before the discs come out. You get to be at home, have a sound system that works. I've been to movies where the center channel, where most of the dialogue is, way too low, and one side low or out over even flipped (left side coming our the right speakers and right from left.) There are no people talking, no cell phones on and ringing - and if a cell phone does ring you can only blame yourself. The food is cheaper, the popcorn better, the bathroom isn't filthy, you usually like everyone you're watching the movie with and I'm sure someone has done a cost comparison on a home theater vs. going out to a movie and how long it would take you to get your money back. I wouldn't be surprised if your return on investment (Did I used that right?) is less than a year on a moderately prices home theater.
 
I think that the higher end theaters that are incorporating recliners and food service are the way that the theater industry will survive. I'm only one person, but I know that I find these upscale experiences more enticing than "regular" theater experiences. In fact I don't even bother going to my "regular" theater anymore, I will drive twice as far to relax in the fancy recliner theater. The nice thing about these places, at least around where I live, is that the ticket prices aren't even any higher than other theaters. I'm thinking they want to keep it lower to bring you in, then upcharge you on the food and drinks. Works for me. Usually I will enjoy an appetizer while I watch, maybe a dessert as well. Overall it's a cheaper experience than going to a movie and a restaurant separately.

Anyway, my point is that if the movie content isn't selling as well as it used to, at least some theaters are trying to make up the difference by improving the experience.
 
Hollywood need to get their budgets under control. Who the hell thought a $175 million King Arthur movie was going to be a success? WHO THE HELL. As for cinema prices, my local one typically charges (2D) £10-11 quid but they do have the odd deal on here and there + a monthly membership card, which if you go to the cinema regularly is well worth the price to see films as much as you want.
 
We go maybe once a year now, and it will usually be for something we're both really big fans of, like a Star Wars or Trek film. The bar is pretty high now to justify a theater visit, it has to be something really special to justify the high cost and the voluntary exposure to annoying people.

So different from my teens and twenties, when I would go to 10 or 15 movies a year in a theater.
 
I haven't gone to a movie theater since November of 2015.

It's really not worth it. I just saw Rogue One for the first time last week, did I miss something from seeing it five months later? Nope. Still haven't seen the first GotG.
 
I would go a handful of times a year as a kid but from being a teen till I entered my 20's I barely ever went. However from 2006 onwards I started going more often with each passing year and now I see every MCU movie at the cinema, so far the DCEU (will that remain I don't know), Star Wars, Star Trek's & Bonds are musts for me. I will see a film outside of that now and again though too.

So far in 2017 I have only seen Guardians 2 but I plan to see...

It
Justice League
Kingsman: The Golden Circle
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Thor: Ragnarok
Wonder Woman

There would be several more added both past n future like Power Rangers, Logan or Alien: Covenant but money been tighter this year than in 2016 so I had to bump some (Kingsman could get bumped too)
 
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