Borg Personal Transporter

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Trekker4747 said:


One's personal transporter for me isn't probably all that big a deal there's a number of ways to fanwank it or reconcile it into "working" but the whole wearable transporter idea to me is still bollocks.

By that account nearly every technology on ST should be bollocks to me since I am an engineer.

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But seriously the whole concept of a wearable transporter is analogous to the wearable holo-emitter i.e. sufficient technology advancements which finally allowed previously bulky devices to be miniaturized. Would it help you to accept it if such device was the size of a large backpack instead of a pin?

 

[Trekker4747]

But seriously the whole concept of a wearable transporter is analogous to the wearable holo-emitter i.e. sufficient technology advancements which finally allowed previously bulky devices to be miniaturized. Would it help you to accept it if such device was the size of a large backpack instead of a pin?

The difference between the holoemitter and the transporter is quite a bit. The transporter has to do a whole hell of a lot more work than a holoemitter does. The holoemitter is only making forcefields and tractor beams.

The transporter is taking subjects apart at the mollecular level, converting it into energy, transmitting it somewhere and then reassembling it. It just isn't reasonable to expect that to be minaturized into something the size of a pin. And even moreso that it does it to itself.

The shipboard transporters take the subject apart and stores it in the buffer tank and then transmits it to the destination. Where does the personal transporter store the subject when it's taken ITSELF apart in the process and how does NOTHING transmit it to the destination and how does NOTHING reassemble it?

Where is the gigawatts of energy coming from to do all of this? It just dosen't fit into the thin realism the transporter already exsits on.

 

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Trekker4747 said:

The difference between the holoemitter and the transporter is quite a bit. The transporter has to do a whole hell of a lot more work than a holoemitter does. The holoemitter is only making forcefields and tractor beams.

The transporter is taking subjects apart at the mollecular level, converting it into energy, transmitting it somewhere and then reassembling it. It just isn't reasonable to expect that to be minaturized into something the size of a pin. And even moreso that it does it to itself.

They differ in the specifics but the analogy is that both were bulky in the 24th century but in the 29th century one device has been miniaturized so it's not unreasonable to expect the other one to be miniaturized also.

The shipboard transporters take the subject apart and stores it in the buffer tank and then transmits it to the destination. Where does the personal transporter store the subject when it's taken ITSELF apart in the process and how does NOTHING transmit it to the destination and how does NOTHING reassemble it?

Clearly you are still failing at understanding the concept of having two separate transporter units in a single mobile transporter unit.

Where is the gigawatts of energy coming from to do all of this? It just dosen't fit into the thin realism the transporter already exsits on.

See above.

 

[Trekker4747]

If there was clear evidence that there were two seperate units you'd have a little more of a leg to stand on.

But there's no evidence it left part of itself behind (near as I can tell the whole thing is still on Picard's lapel when he arrives.)

But, again, we'll need to agree to disagree.

I will never accept that a transporter can be made to be wearable.

 

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Trekker4747 said:
If there was clear evidence that there were two seperate units you'd have a little more of a leg to stand on.

But there's no evidence it left part of itself behind (near as I can tell the whole thing is still on Picard's lapel when he arrives.)

Well it doesn't actually need to leave anything behind but we are not still talking about Nemesis are we? Plus the visual artists aren't bothered with the little technical details such as this. Besides If they actually show the two transport units would that actually make Nemesis any better?

But, again, we'll need to agree to disagree.

I will never accept that a transporter can be made to be wearable.

It's all fiction. In the real world The concept of a wearable transporter is on the same level of realism as an ordinary transporter,warp drive,universal translator, etc. I fail to see you can accept one but not the other especially if it's consistent with the established level of technology in the story.

 

[Deks]

The Borg of the 24th century do not utilize personal transporters ... at least not to my knowledge.

However ... they could ... and keep in mind that the Borg are supposed to be more advanced than the Federation.

In the 29th century though, the Feds most likely created a way to miniaturize multiple technologies.
Heck I would argue that a portable holo emitter would have
been made even in the 26th century, not to mention a personal transporter unit.

Also ... the personal transporter in question was shown on a Borg drone which was essentially from the 29th century.
Each Drone has to regenerate as their implants and every piece of technology sticking out of their body uses their own energy.
Power supplies/batteries are small for the Feds in the 24th century (fit into a hand) ... now imagine how more powerful those batteries would be if the Borg drones use them to power themselves.
An individual drone has to regenerate in order to function (no food needed), but the tech it has also uses the same energy or possibly the power packs.

A site to site transporter exists already in the 24th century and it's light/portable.
I doubt a sight to sight transporter transports itself (at least it wasn't shown to be able to), but a Borg personal one from the future might just be able to do so.

In the 26th century for example, multiple techs that were in use 200 years later would be miniaturized and more advanced in comparison ... not to mention the 29th century ones.

Applying real life physics to Trek ones does not apply due to the fact that the show is supposed to be set in the future (by which time numerous laws could have been adjusted, better understood, rewritten altogether, etc ...).

Personal transporter in Trek is just as feasible as any other piece of tech in that universe.

Also ... Nemesis took place about 2 years after Voyager got back.
It's possible that SF incorporated a miniature transporter from the various technologies and information Voyager brought back from the DQ.
Or it was Data's personal project.
I'm sure that even with 24th century tech it would be possible to create such a device.
Data was after all an android, plus very adept at science altogether, and has experience to back it all up.

It can be explained in-universe wise without violation of cannon.

 

[Timo]

The Borg of the 24th century do not utilize personal transporters ... at least not to my knowledge.

Then again, we haven't seen any Borg transporter rooms, either.

A site to site transporter exists already in the 24th century and it's light/portable.

Just to be sure, in the "Non Sequitur" case, we can only tell that the remote control is light and portable. The lightest actual transporter units we are aware of are the shuttlecraft ones. Thus ST:NEM is the one big question mark here. (That, and Peter David's contribution to the Double Helix novels...)

Personal transporter in Trek is just as feasible as any other piece of tech in that universe.

This, I guess, is the main point. The transporter as such already jumps major hurdles as regards laws of physics and technological plausibility. Miniaturization of the technology is a dramatically and technologically logical step in the following centuries, and doesn't cross any additional hurdles of note - as said, bootstrapping would be a valid mode of operations, when the ability to transport to locations that have no receiver has been part and parcel of the technology to begin with.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Deks]

Actually Timo, Janeway used a site to site transporter in one of the episodes when Voyager's computer core was stolen.
She explained to Leonardo that the device would be capable of relocating them several kilometers from their then position (which she used it for later in the episode before flying off with Leonardo so Voyager can transport them).
The device was not transported with Janeway and Leonardo to my knowledge.

And Janeway only used the computer core to send out a pulse on a specific frequency so Voyager's transporters can lock onto it and beam it back on board.

So ... what we do know is that site to site transporters of 24th century era are capable of beaming one or two individuals from one site to another, and that they are light/portable, but do not transport themselves (at least not from on screen evidence).

As for the future, I would not be surprised to discover Starfleet managed to miniaturize such technologies and add better functionality/capability in them.

Nemesis happened only 2 years after Voyager got back, but the site to site transporter could have been introduced a decade before Voyager was launched or earlier (we don't know when exactly it was introduced).

Voyager could have been using the most used version of the device, but the Enterprise being the flagship and all, not to mention various info Voyager brought back, and Data being adept at science ... it is possible he could have made a device capable of transporting a single individual to a specific destination.
It's possible the pin device was only working as a half-tranporter which needed an environment with technology capable of finishing the transport which the device itself began.
I dunno, it's merely speculation, but if Data was behind the creation of the said device, he could have used his expertise to develop an early prototype.