BF heading towards the Time War...

[StCoop]

Big Finish have just released the cover to the final series of their long-running Gallifrey spin-off. And while the presence of the Daleks was no surprise considering they appeared at the end of Series 5, which Daleks they would be turns out to be the big surprise.

BF have been skirting around the fringes of the Time War in a way that bends but doesn't break the terms of their Licence that only allows them to use things from the Original Series for a while now but have confirmed today that they've been given special permission to use the Time War-era Daleks for these stories.

And since it is the last series it's going to be very interesting to see where exactly they leave off...

 

[Sindatur]

Oh thank Goodness this is about Gallifrey S6, I'm already embroiled in The Gallifrey Fandom. I was afraid this was going to be yet another Series I was going to have to get, which I really can't afford to do at the moment, as my listening backlog is very large.

Sad that this will be the end, but it's exciting nonetheless. (Thank Goodness S4-S6 came out much closer together than S1-4) [I started listening to Gallifrey after S1-S3 had already been out, and only about 6 months before S4 came out]

 

[DalekJim]

I feel that John Hurt possibly being the Time War Doctor has fucked them slightly.

 

[Sindatur]

I feel that John Hurt possibly being the Time War Doctor has fucked them slightly.

Why? I'm sure since they got permission, someone is making sure there won't be a major conflict. plus, S4 Gallifrey took us to an Alternate Universe(s) anyways, so, it really doesn't matter if there's a conflict. Let's not forget who "Lord Burner" ended up being, which would be quite the conflict if it was in the same Universe as the TV Show

 

[StCoop]

And actually I've just seen that it's not the only direct New Series reference they've got coming. The cover their 50th Anniversary Companion Chronicle "The Beginning" has gone from this version of a TARDIS in its default appearance:

to the one seen in TNOTD:

 

[Lonemagpie]

They've had Nu Who links for ages - the Daleks have had the NSD servo sound effects since Blood Of The Daleks (and proclaim "Elevate!" when they fly), and ISTR the Cybermen have the stomping sound at least in Human Resources...

 

[DalekJim]

]Why? I'm sure since they got permission, someone is making sure there won't be a major conflict.

I meant because Paul McGann is clearly supposed to be Big Finish's idea of the Time War Doctor, they've even given him an Eccleston-esque costume. They can't really do the Time War properly now as I doubt they'll get John Hurt. It feels weird enough looking at McGann's current costume as it's a real anachronism. Hurt's costume is meant to be the transition between McGann and Eccleston's, but Big Finish have done the same thing in the opposite way. It just feels clunky.

I quit following Big Finish because of the very low quality of modern McGann audios (Especially in comparison to the old Charley ones!), the mediocre Tom Baker range, and the even poorer Season 27. I'm sure there will be a few classics for me to catch up on, but the days of Chimes of Midnight and Jubilee are long gone.

 

[Lt. Uhura-Brown]

I know Romana, Leela, K-9 and the Daleks, but who's Sean Carlsen?

 

[Sindatur]

I know Romana, Leela, K-9 and the Daleks, but who's Sean Carlsen?

Gallifrey Audio Adventures Feature Lord President Romana, Andred's Wife Leela and at least one of their K9 Units (Some stories have both K9s) having crazy adventures amongst Gallifreyan Politics. Each Series has an arc, which runs through the entire Series.

Sean Carlsen plays the Coordinator of the CIA (Celestial Intervention Agency), his name is Narvin

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's Narven.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Narvin

He's always there.

It's either lefthand/righthand... But there's a phrase I love from Fall and Rise of Reginal Perrin... "Autoredundant".

Maybe the reason they're letting Big Finish play with the Time War is because what they're doing with John Hurt is going to be "Real" and anything Big Finish brings to the fore is instant fanfiction.

Autoredundant.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Cool cover although it strays quite a bit from the previous cover designs (even it retains some elements). I'm still not sure how I feel by the Dalek twist and their inclusion to the final series of Gallifrey as much as I enjoyed series IV and V, and certainly more than most, I want our heroes to return to their proper Gallifrey. Also, and this has been a wish since the beginning, but would really like to see The Eighth Doctor show up, even for a cameo, to see what has happened with Gallifrey and be reunited with Romana, Leela and K-9 since his departure to the Divergent Universe.

]Why? I'm sure since they got permission, someone is making sure there won't be a major conflict.

I meant because Paul McGann is clearly supposed to be Big Finish's idea of the Time War Doctor, they've even given him an Eccleston-esque costume.

Correction, Paul McGann developed the costume himself for conventions and then Big Finish decided to utilize it for their covers.

Also, I see no reason why whatever is going on with John Hurt has harmed Big Finish in anyway. For all we know The Eighth and Ninth Doctors and the John Hurt Doctor were involved with the Time War. We don't know and it's silly to say Big Finish has been "fucked" by John Hurt until we actually see the anniversary special. Same goes for Gallifrey VI.

 

[Guy Gardener]

There's no fun in not being Chicken Little.

Genesis-Ark, voidship.

Oh no.

If The Time War is now canonically connected to Gallifrey, if at least from Big Finishes end...

Timothy Dalton was playing Romana III.

 

[Sindatur]

There's no fun in not being Chicken Little.

Genesis-Ark, voidship.

Oh no.

If The Time War is now canonically connected to Gallifrey, if at least from Big Finishes end...

Timothy Dalton was playing Romana III.

Oh, Please, there's no evidence for DaltonRassilon being Romana III, it's far more likely He's a future Regeneration of Inquisitor Darkell.

 

[inflatabledalek]

They've not said either way about the undisguised Tardis yet, but BF have confirmed the visual use of the new series Daleks on the cover as a result of a special one off deal done by Gary Russell outside of their normal (current) licence.

I will bet £10 now their being in this series has nothing to do with the Time War. It's just an extension of a recurring Big Finish promotional technique. One that previously peeked with Dark Eyes, where it was announced as having Daleks (following a story where McGann wound up being really, really, really pissed off with them) in it and a story called The Great War just to get people exxcited that it might be about The Time War. If they actually could do even just the start of that conflict, they'd be shouting it from the roofttops. At most all we'll get is something that will feel like it could be a cause of, or feed into the pre-Eccleston conflict. Wich Gallifrey has done before (taking away regeneration to weaken the Time Lords, having one character suggest throwing all their EVIL weapons at the Daleks... seasons four and five, which I've not heard yet, may have changed both those thngs but the intent at the time was clearly to at least suggest those situations and attidues would lead to the final war).

The proto-Tardis cover is actually the more interesting of the two things in terms of what Big Finish can and can't do. I can't imagine it would really be worth their while to do a special deal just for that, as I can't see it adding much to sales and they could have just as easily done a cover without the Tardis in its natural state on it. I think it at least shows that, as long as the BBC clear it first, the minor visual elements of the series are OK for Big Finish to play with.

 

[Guy Gardener]

When I was young, in a novelization of something it was put forward that the Chameleon Circuit was broken by the Meddling Monk... Was that just Terrance Dicks being a complete smart ass?

 

[Stevil2001]

The proto-Tardis cover is actually the more interesting of the two things in terms of what Big Finish can and can't do. I can't imagine it would really be worth their while to do a special deal just for that, as I can't see it adding much to sales and they could have just as easily done a cover without the Tardis in its natural state on it. I think it at least shows that, as long as the BBC clear it first, the minor visual elements of the series are OK for Big Finish to play with.

I imagine this was a case of a New Series reference being preferable to a discontinuity in the eyes of the BBC. There have been slight ones before-- The Whispering Forest uses the "green crescent" symbol for hospitals first seen in "New Earth."

I didn't really feel that Dark Eyes was much of a bait-and-switch. Sure, they can't say "Time War", but it features the Daleks trying to wipe the Time Lords from time and vice versa. If that's not the Time War, I don't know what is.

 

[diankra]

When I was young, in a novelization of something it was put forward that the Chameleon Circuit was broken by the Meddling Monk... Was that just Terrance Dicks being a complete smart ass?

Well, Terrance has never done a novelisation featuring the Monk, and As far as I recall he didn't include any mentions of him in any of his other books (unless it's in a New Adventure), so whoever it was it wasn't him! Are you maybe thinking of the scene in Masterpan where the Doctor breaks into the Monk's TARDIS and mucks around with its chameleon circuit?

 

[Konata Izumi]

I can't stop noticing that the default TARDIS design should be a 2-dimensional door, instead of an arbitrarily shaped, dull booth.

 

[publiusr]

Really, the interior of the Tardis should be a mandelbrot set, with the center being the door I suppose. Take a few turns, and have the hallway expand like one would expect from those haunted house films where the hallway just extends.

Rose Red meets Hilberts hotel in a port o let