Better Call Saul, the TV series

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  1. The Nth Doctor

    The Nth Doctor Infinite Possibilities... Premium Member

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    Yeah, I was pretty skeptical early on, too, but the first season quickly proved to me that I had nothing to worry about. I'm still amazed that this show has almost eclipsed Breaking Bad in high-quality writing and acting, from top to bottom. This is an extraordinary show and has greatly raised the standard for all prequels (not just shows, but films, books, comics, plays, everything) and I think very few will ever clear this bar.

    So, yeah, pretty bittersweet.

    But I'm super excited about my mega marathon! I'm just trying to decide if I want to reserve the Gene scenes and episodes for viewing only after El Camino or if I'm overthinking it all.

    Gods, fucking yes. Even if (and probably when) she gets robbed of her Emmy, I cannot wait to see what she does next. She has leaped into "Must See" viewing.
     
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    Rhea Seahorn has been phenomenal throughout the show, but last week’s episode blew away everything.
    If she doesn’t get an Emmy, there is no justice in the world.
     
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  3. Kirby

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    I think I got more emotional during that last part with the actors talking more than the actual episode.
     
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    So did someone finally call him in the last episode?
     
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  5. JirinPanthosa

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    In some ways the last four episodes were anticlimactic, but I loved the ending with Kim. He sacrificed his freedom to restore his friendship with Kim, and that callback sharing a cigarette.

    Then Kim taking that volunteer job at the legal clinic made me happy.
     
  6. Timby

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    I feel it's more that Jimmy sacrificed the rest of his life in order to save his soul.
     
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    Of all the ways the show would end, this wasn't how I expected.

    And I love that.

    Beyond all belief, Saul managed to slip his way right into a seven-year plea agreement...and then he blew it all up for Kim.

    I certainly didn't see that coming. Especially after how heartbreakingly blasé he was about signing the divorce papers.

    I was pleasantly surprised to see Betsy Brandt return, finally giving Marie the onscreen chance to mourn for Hank and Steve, with all of the righteous fury you'd expect. But what really surprised me, as confirmed by the Breaking Bad Wiki, is that we never saw Blanca until now.

    I'm disappointed in myself, despite all of the flashbacks we've had this whole season and in this episode, I didn't once consider the possibility of seeing Chuck one last time. It was a sweet little scene, one where Chuck was actually reasonable for the most part. But, man, all of those memories of how things were like back in the first season. Crazy how much changed by the end.

    Plus, that scene gave of us the seed of why Jimmy/Saul kept thinking about traveling in a time machine to reflect on regret with Mike and Walt. And of course Walt would see right through that shit...after a rant about the impossibility of time travel.

    After those particular scenes, I expected we get one more reflection with Kim. But instead we got something better: One last shared cigarette.

    What a perfect way to end this magnificent show.
     
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    Uhhh... so why was the Esteem shown in the episode promo? Just to set up the opening flashback with Mike?
     
  9. Timby

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    Yes, precisely.
     
  10. Finn

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    So....they still think Walt killed Hank.... Jimmy didn't say anything, even tho Walt kept going on about those white supremacists killing Hank when they were in the Vacuum Guy's basement... Of course, they wouldn't have taken his word at this point.

    I liked the ending.
     
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    I liked how they had it all rusted and worn in the promo, as if years had passed. I still don't understand why Fring didn't have it removed or Lalo would have nothing to go on and went back to Mexico sooner...
     
  12. Seven of Five

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    This is not how I thought the show would end, so that's definitely good for me. I'm just happy that Kim was more at peace at the end by becoming a volunteer for the law place, as it reflected the time when she was doing pro bono work.

    Jimmy doing the full time, in the end, was pretty perfect really, considering how much he'd fallen as Gene. After Kim turned up with divorce papers, and there was a little frostiness between them. Her appearing as his lawyer was a very bittersweet moment. They even shared a cigarette together, much like when we first saw them together.

    It was nice having Jimmy flashbacks throughout the show with different characters from the different seasons - even Chuck! :)

    Still feel sorry for Marie even though it's been how many years since Breaking Bad ended? :( Betsy Brant was killing it as always, and it was great to see her back on the show. I loved how she thought that Jimmy being found in a bin was very appropriate.
     
  13. 1001001

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    Hmm...

    Not what I expected at all. At the point Kim has confessed, moved on and married someone else...I think I take the easy 7 years! :lol:

    The shared cigarette at the end?

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    Jimmy is working on another plan. A escape plan! Time to start writing it for a Better Call Saul movie!
     
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    The reason I don’t see it that way is both the “Showtime” thing and the time machine theme. He finally decided what he would go back and change, hurting Kim. In a way, he went back in time to that scene where he shared a cigarette. He decided he’d be happier in prison with occasional interaction with Kim than free on the run without her.

    But I think the only things he thinks he did wrong was destroying Kim’s happiness and getting Chuck’s malpractice insurance canceled.

    I kind of wish they had spot colored Marie’s dress purple.
     
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    Walt said he killed Hank when he called them. The only person besides Jimmy he ever told otherwise was Skyler.
     
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    Hmmm, so did those 86 years do anything to help Kim with her situation? That's what I thought he was going for when Kim was contacted and told he had some statement that would affect her future trial.

    Jimmy may have saved his soul but at what cost? Unfortunately I understand it. But I hate to see it happen to the guy. I'd tell him to take the 7. Don't throw it all away for Kim. But I'm on the other side of the glass on this one.

    I liked the time travel scene discussions. Jimmy never seemed to give an honest answer other than the money. He was holding himself back, not showing his real personality or weakness.
     
  18. JirinPanthosa

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    Did anyone else have no idea what Bill Oakley’s name was until this episode?
     
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    I know...and Jesse knows -only living witness to it. Of course, he's not going to tell anyone Walt didn't actually kill Hank....
     
  20. The Nth Doctor

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    A thought exercise:

    Did Saul's memorable commercials ultimately cause Gene's downfall? Or was he always doomed to get the hankering for the con and eventually get caught when one would inevitably go wrong?

    There was a strong emphasis the last few episodes, especially the finale, that Saul would always be remembered and recognized for those commercials and had a reach beyond New Mexico (if only because of former natives).

    But by the same token, Jimmy/Saul/Gene could never let go of a possible con, no matter the size, no matter the risk. It was too deeply embedded into his psyche, as noted time and again by Chuck.
     
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