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Best Borg stories ever!!

RAMA

RAMA

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Since it all started with STNG:

1. STNG-BOBW: Not a default answer, this was the most visceral, in-your-face, edge of the seat, grand scary ST story ever.

2. ST VOY: Scorpion I&II: The spoilers for this episode promised something huge, rarely do they deliver, but this episode did on all counts.

3. STNG: Q Who: This was a shocker...the UFP made to look like amateurs. I really enjoyed the writing and pace of this episode.

4. STNG: I, Borg: OK, dare I say this was a sensitive and complex portrayal of the characters and issues? Say what you will with the result, this is a damn good episode.

5. STT VOY: Drone: Futuristic cyborg...similar in story to I, Borg, I think it could have been a dull retread (like some other VOY stories I could mention) but they wound up hitting it out of the park.

6. ST ENT: Regeneration. The Thing on steroids. Loved the scenes on Earth.

7. STFC: Fun movie, re-introduced the look of the Borg very successfully. This was really a Picard movie, not a Borg movie.

8. ST VOY: Dark Frontier: Adds a lot of info to the mythos...one of the better two parters.

RAMA
 
BOBW
Q Who
FC


These are the only ones where the Borg were at their best in their scariness and threat factor, where it seemed the UFP had good reason to fear them.

VOY enjoyed using them just to have them as standard villain or to show how powerful ANOTHER villain could be ( species 8472)


then with "dark frontier" and "regeneration" they started crapping on continuity
 
sonak said:
BOBW
Q Who
FC


These are the only ones where the Borg were at their best in their scariness and threat factor, where it seemed the UFP had good reason to fear them.

VOY enjoyed using them just to have them as standard villain or to show how powerful ANOTHER villain could be ( species 8472)


then with "dark frontier" and "regeneration" they started crapping on continuity
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Not sure I agree with this...I think the central theme in Voyager was a woman-to-woman duel of wits between Janeway and the Borg Queen. Introducing an ongoing former Borg may have made the Borg more commonplace, but it also allowed for character development (catsuit nothwithstanding) 7of 9 became the most interesting chracter on the show.

As for the Borg seeming weaker, well it's possible..I didn't really see it that way, the Unicomplex and sheer scale of the Borg threat was made apparent in Voyager. I think it was made clear that Voyager combated the Borg in ways less obvious than an armada-on-Borg confrontation. Still, I would agree that the STNG episodes had the most impact.

RAMA
 
RAMA said:
sonak said:
BOBW
Q Who
FC


These are the only ones where the Borg were at their best in their scariness and threat factor, where it seemed the UFP had good reason to fear them.

VOY enjoyed using them just to have them as standard villain or to show how powerful ANOTHER villain could be ( species 8472)


then with "dark frontier" and "regeneration" they started crapping on continuity
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Not sure I agree with this...I think the central theme in Voyager was a woman-to-woman duel of wits between Janeway and the Borg Queen. Introducing an ongoing former Borg may have made the Borg more commonplace, but it also allowed for character development (catsuit nothwithstanding) 7of 9 became the most interesting chracter on the show.

As for the Borg seeming weaker, well it's possible..I didn't really see it that way, the Unicomplex and sheer scale of the Borg threat was made apparent in Voyager. I think it was made clear that Voyager combated the Borg in ways less obvious than an armada-on-Borg confrontation. Still, I would agree that the STNG episodes had the most impact.

RAMA
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a "duel" between a character that controls billions of Borg and fleets of Borg cubes and one that has one ship stranded far from home is a laughable mismatch.

the format for Voyager just didn't work for having the Borg as a recurring villain. The Borg Queen could have just dispatched a few cubes to take out Voyager at any time once they started having engagements.


And just look at "Dark Frontier." the Delta Flyer infiltrates a Borg base and gets away easily!


they just lost that intimidation factor.
 
My favorites were:

Q Who?: Introduced the Borg.

BOBW: Part 2 is disappointing, but the build-up in part 1 is terrific!

I, Borg: You could argue that it ruined the Borg by making them soft, but I thought it was a touching story. Picard developed a lot in this episode by coming to terms with what happened to him and developing some compassion towards Hugh.

First Contact: It's biggest flaw is that it completely ignores the events of I, Borg. Picard came to terms with the Borg and what they did to him in that episode, and yet in FC he is once again out for revenge against them. Nevertheless, if you just pretend that I, Borg never happened this is a near perfect film. It's my personal favorite of the series.

I just started VOY so I can't comment on any of the Borg episodes.
 
I agree that "Q Who?" was one of the best in this category. I appreciate the creepy vibe, and it really set the tone for the rest of the Borg encounters in TNG.

I can't say that I was as much of a fan of Borg encounters in VOY, though.
 
"I, Borg" was the last good Borg episode and arguably the best because it showed like no other story what the difference between the Borg and the Feds is.
 
Q Who is certainly my favourite; it's just about a perfect TNG episode.

I like I, Borg for the questions it raises, and First Contact for the adrenaline rush and the great denouement.

Scorpion had a great opening, but the overall story ended up not quite matching those heights. Still good though.

I didn't really enjoy the later VOY Borg eps though; they were OK, but none really stands out as super-impressive. Similarly, ENT's Regeneration was OK, but I wasn't blown away in the way I was with the TNG eps/movie mentioned above. The Borg concept evolved nicely from Q Who, through I, Borg and into First Contact. Scorpion then used them to show how dangerous another race was, and I think that was the beginning of their decline as the ne plus ultra of alien enemies.

BTW, this topic crosses several Star Trek series, so I'd certainly be amenable to moving it into the Gen Trek Discussion forum if RAMA wants it there. On the other hand, if he's looking specifically for discussion on the Borg from TNG fans, or from the perspective of their TNG origins, then I'm also happy to keep this here. If you want it moved, RAMA, just ask me in this thread or via PM.
 
All the Borg episodes are great in my opinion but I particularly love Scorpion and Regeneration. Scorpion for when you see all those cubes race past Voyager, I don't think I slept for a week!
But I also loved Regeneration and I think it did a fantastic job tying everything together. It's brilliant how they tie in first contact and then signal themselves in the future. I think Q knew all this and that's why he sent the enterprise D to show them the cube that had encountered that signal. A leads to B leads to C!

Sas
 
Tiberius said:
sonak said:
then with "dark frontier" and "regeneration" they started crapping on continuity
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I have to disagree. All that is required to keep everything flowing smoothly is the idea that we weren't always told everything.
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well, yeah you can fanwank it that way, but I just prefer to accept it as discontinuity and move on.


I love your signature by the way.
 
Best Borg episodes, IMO:

1. Best of Both Worlds.
Yes, yes, an obvious answer, but it's an incredible, epic episode.

2. First Contact.
Do I really have to explain this one too?

3. The Return.
I'm probably in the minority, but I thought this was a neat Borg storyline. The only dislike is the damn V'Ger/Borg theory, which DOES. NOT. WORK. :vulcan:

4. Destiny trilogy.
For obvious reasons. :)

5. Scorpion.
Species 8472 was interesting.

I did not care for Regeneration that much simply because of the obvious Borg shoehoring involved.
 
sonak said:
Tiberius said:
sonak said:
then with "dark frontier" and "regeneration" they started crapping on continuity
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I have to disagree. All that is required to keep everything flowing smoothly is the idea that we weren't always told everything.
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well, yeah you can fanwank it that way, but I just prefer to accept it as discontinuity and move on.


I love your signature by the way.
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Why is it fanwanking to say that the reason Picard didn't know about the Borg despite the Federation having had contact with them before is simply because Starfleet isn't in the habit of telling their captains everything?

BTW, thanks for the comment about my sig. You're the first person to mention it! Here, have a cookie.
 
Tiberius said:
Why is it fanwanking to say that the reason Picard didn't know about the Borg despite the Federation having had contact with them before is simply because Starfleet isn't in the habit of telling their captains everything?
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I figured Starfleet buried it's original encounter with the Borg deep. No reason to tell the populace that their is a race of space-faring cybernetic zombies out there.

It could deep six your exploration program PDQ.
 
Archer merely hypothesizes that the invasion is postponed and even if Earth Starfleet took the issue seriously at the time and tried to do everything to save the recordings for two centuries at the time, it was indeed not something you tell the population. Furthermore things get lost over time, especially when a devastating war with the Rommies and a fusion of Starfleet with other space agencies happens a few years later.
 
Gave the topic some deeper thought and these are my top four:

Q, Who?
The Best of Both Worlds I
Unity
Regeneration
 
Q, Who? even though it was more a Q/Picard episode with the Borg as a plot device. It was nice that it referenced a past mystery ("The Neutral Zone") and gave us the explanation.

BOBW, obviously. Though having one Borg vessel be that tough could be grating once you realize the scale of the Borg Collective. The writers shot themselves in the foot overpowering them so much.

Scorpion was great, because it showed that at least ONE guy remembered that the Borg were only ever supposed to just be ONE powerful species out of several, and not some "Ultimate Galactic Threat" that the fans made them out to be.

"Unity" because it showed there were benefits to the Hive Mind instead of TOS and TNG's usual technophobic attitude to such things (Landru, the Apple, etc).

And maybe "Descent".
 
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