Was Ramussen alive at the time of the nx enterprise era?.Wouldnt the 24 century technology he was planning to steal be around in his time but a early model?.
Berllinghoff Rasmussen and enterprise(nx)
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There was a rumor that an ENT episode would feature Rasmussen (before he travelled to the future) and establish that he was Archer's roommate at MIT. Although that was, AFAIK, a hoax.
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Not Data!
But, you're right. Enterprise retconned most of Trek's technology back to Rasmussen's era, albeit with minor differences in terminology and design. It still would've been the equivelent of nabbing the most modern PC today back to the days of the Commodore 64.
FWIW, Rasmussen crops up in the excellent novel "Indistinguishable From Magic", as an expert on 22nd century technology when the USS Challenger comes across the long lost NX-09 Intrepid.
NX-07, to nitpick... NX-09 apparently still remains free to be associated solely with the Mirror Universe Avenger, as the novel series the most likely to feature this class of ships, the Romulan War -themed one, has decided to describe the production of that class as truncated after just half a dozen ships or so.
We don't know much about Rasmussen for sure, considering he was a fluent liar from an era of incomplete records. Perhaps he isn't from the mid-22nd century after all? Of course, him setting time-sail in 2150 or so would still keep him ignorant of (hand) phasers, the one 24th century technology he seemed to be impressed with despite ENT showing some in the 22nd century already.
Timo Saloniemi
We don't know much about Rasmussen for sure, considering he was a fluent liar from an era of incomplete records. Perhaps he isn't from the mid-22nd century after all? Of course, him setting time-sail in 2150 or so would still keep him ignorant of (hand) phasers, the one 24th century technology he seemed to be impressed with despite ENT showing some in the 22nd century already.
Timo Saloniemi
You could easily explain that away by saying that the Phase pistols were "new" (as seen in the scene in the pilot between Reed and Archer), and therefore "classified" Starfleet technology.
Alas, we saw rifles equipped with additional phase barrels in the hands of civilians in "Fortunate Son" already. Sure, the pistols seemed to be news to Archer, and Reed presented them to him as such, but Starfleet and civilians elsewhere appeared to be operating other types of phase weaponry nevertheless. Perhaps miniaturization to sidearm size was the only new thing there - although the "Broken Bow" dialogue doesn't really make that too plausible. Sigh...
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
22nd Century phase pistols can stun or kill, but remember that the later phasers can, on high settings, disintegrate/dematerialise or (according to Picard in ST:FC) blow away half a deck of the ship... The disintegrate setting would surely be worth BR's influence to claim to invent...
If only they remembered phasers can do all that cool stuff (including the "wide field" setting, which downed groups of people in "Return of the Archons") during the seige of AR-558! Or any number of other episodes....
(off topic, I know. Sorry)
(off topic, I know. Sorry)
According to Worf, there were no phasers in the 22nd Century, and he would know. Indicating that Phasers were a 23rd century invention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nh9VjBUFa3I#t=323s
So Rasmussen's 22nd century was probably much different than the retconned 22nd century of Enterprise.
I find that completely ignoring Enterprise and pretending that it never happened helps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nh9VjBUFa3I#t=323s
So Rasmussen's 22nd century was probably much different than the retconned 22nd century of Enterprise.
I find that completely ignoring Enterprise and pretending that it never happened helps.
They were still using laser pistols in the 2250's as well: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Laser_pistol
Ah, but Phase Pistols aren't Phasers. Neither are Photonic Torpedoes Photon torpedoes for that matter.
'course, that's just nerd wiggling around the contradictions. Truth is, Braga and Berman royally messed up the canon. You likely have heard enough vitriol against them, so I will say in short they are naughty naughty people.
Nothing happens in exact 100 year increments. The automobile is 19th Century invention but is more closely associated with the 20th Century. Then there is the terminology. A Phase Pistol is not a Phaser. If it was, it would be called a "phaser". Its a more primitive form of the technology that would give rise to the Phaser.
WNMHGB uses a phaser rifle and reused the laser props. One could assume that the lasers were in fact phasers. In later scripts the laser pistol prop was call an "old style phaser". All three perform the "raygun" role in very similar manners.
Star Trek was constantly evolving and overriding previous information with what worked better. Gene Roddenberry axed the laser because he discovered they wouldn't do what he needed his raygun to do. As far as I'm concerned "lasers" were never used as weapons in Star Trek. Roddenberry was much more willing to change things and ignore what didn't work that many fans are.
As I said before a century is a long time. There are 50 odd years of the 22nd Century we know little about. 50 years that predate the invention of the phase pistol, the transporter and a host of other technologies seen in Enterprise.
And who cares if Worf says there were no phasers in the 22nd century? Who made him the ultimate expert on history?
Because he is a Security/Tactical officer and I'm pretty sure he knows enough about Phasers to know which fucking century they were invented in.
If he had no interest in the history of phasers he wouldn't have said with certainty "There were no phasers in the 22nd century." But he did. Worf isn't just some dumb grunt, sure he's a Klingon, but he is also an officer and a graduate of Starfleet Academy. He probably knows the basic history of one of his main tools.
I am just a dumb grunt but even I know the basic history of guns. If I were to go into work tomorrow and say that there were no Firearms in the 18th century I would have several people tell me how wrong I am. Just as when Worf said there were no phasers in the 22nd century, Riker would have corrected him if he was wrong. As it would totally be in character for Riker to tease Worf about being wrong about something like that. And if there's any 24th century person that knows stuff about Archers time, it would be Commander Riker, as he seems to be incapable of making any major decision without running a lengthy recreation of Archers Akiraprise.
And don't say that calling phasers, phase pistols. And Photon torpedoes, Photonic torpedoes makes them something different. When the B's were making Enterprise they wanted a show set in the 22nd century, because as Brannon Braga said "[They] ran out of ideas for the 24th century." But they were too scared to do a Star Trek show without Star Trek technology, so they came up with Phase Pistols and Photonic Torpedoes. And acted surprised when the show failed and they blamed it on "Franchise Fatigue".
Yes it does make them something "different", that's why they have different names. The intent is to show a more "primitive" version of Star Trek technology. Not some totally unrelated "deadend" technology.
Firearms does not equal phasers. If Worf had said energy weapons that would be a general term like firearms. If you went into work and said there were no automatic pistols in the 18th Century, then you might have a parallel to Worf's statement.
Worf and Riker are fictional characters. Riker can only correct Worf if the writers need him to.
I wrote a story along these lines back when I was working on a virtual enterprise project, but it never saw the light of day. I had some very interesting theories going on. He's always been one of my favourite characters to appear in TNG and I wished we could have seen more of him.
Basically, the gist of it is I had him be an unsuccessful inventor in the 22nd century, who was down on his luck and had to come up with something to satisfy his investors, who went to take a walk in the woods, where he would be trying to kill himself. Only, things don't go as planned, when he witnesses a flash in the sky and realizes that something's about to crash, which he goes to investigate. This turns out to be a time-travel pod belonging to a time-traveller, who he finds has died on impact, and so a flash of inspiration strikes him, as he realizes that the time-travel pod could be his to claim and impress his investors if he could fix it up and get it working. Only problem is, it's out of fuel. So, he finnagles his way onto the Enterprise to steal some fuel source, and it's when things get heavy as the crew figures out what's happened, he arrives back at the crash site in time to get things working and ends up in the 24th century where we see him. I've made him quite the compulsive liar, with the idea that the only thing he's telling the truth about is that he does come from the 22nd century.
Basically, the gist of it is I had him be an unsuccessful inventor in the 22nd century, who was down on his luck and had to come up with something to satisfy his investors, who went to take a walk in the woods, where he would be trying to kill himself. Only, things don't go as planned, when he witnesses a flash in the sky and realizes that something's about to crash, which he goes to investigate. This turns out to be a time-travel pod belonging to a time-traveller, who he finds has died on impact, and so a flash of inspiration strikes him, as he realizes that the time-travel pod could be his to claim and impress his investors if he could fix it up and get it working. Only problem is, it's out of fuel. So, he finnagles his way onto the Enterprise to steal some fuel source, and it's when things get heavy as the crew figures out what's happened, he arrives back at the crash site in time to get things working and ends up in the 24th century where we see him. I've made him quite the compulsive liar, with the idea that the only thing he's telling the truth about is that he does come from the 22nd century.
