B'Elanna's ridges...when did they change?

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  1. gastrof

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    Did her looks change after she had her Klingon DNA extracted, and the doctor had to restore it to her by cloning some taken from her dead "twin" who was fully Klingon?

    Or did the makeup people just change Roxanne's prosthetics without it being connected to the storyline?
     
  2. Christopher

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    I'm not sure what change you're referring to. But I'd assume that Michael Westmore continued to refine Roxann Dawson's makeup over the course of the series, as he did with all the regular or recurring alien makeups.
     
  3. gastrof

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    Sort of self-explanatory.

    The forehead ridges end up looking different from how they originally did.

    I only noticed it when the series restarted, and saw how different she looked back at the start. Think originally the hairline was much higher too.
     
  4. CorporalClegg

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    The proof is in the pics... ;)
     
  5. cultcross

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    Probably when someone realized how unflattering a high forehead is.

    I recall a friend commenting on Torres action figure and how it looked less like a Puerto Rican boy than the actual character. Ouch.
     
  7. Christopher

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    Looks to me like it's not the ridges that changed, it's the hairline. Anyway, that's clearly just the kind of routine refinement Westmore made in all the makeups, not a plot-related change. (Heck, they never attempted to explain why Worf's forehead completely transformed between season 1 and season 2, or why Ro and all other Bajorans lost the wide V-shaped ridge between the eyebrows.)
     
  8. Miral_Janeway

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    That pic is definitely from revulsion, not endgame
     
  9. CorporalClegg

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    I agree. Roxy wanted a perm, and Westmore acquiesced.
     
  10. cultcross

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    quite possibly, it resulted from a google search for 'torres endgame' :D
     
  11. Gadrin

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    I think all of the aliens changed in some way shape or form, from season to season.

    I know Odo from DS9 does over the course of that show. Neelix looks different from S1 to S7. It could be something simple, like the guy who does Torres, left and someone else took over, or people get shuffled around, or the actors themselves want a "new look". Tim Russ mentioned that they liked doing "Killing Game" because it changed up the "same old, same old" routine.
     
  12. Good Will Riker

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    She pulled a William Shatner! :p

    For a woman who purports to have grown up "not watching Star Trek," it is interesting that Bill Shatner's 3 daughters were her friends and neighbors while growing up, and her ex-husband is Casey Biggs (Damar from DS9).
     
  13. Corran Horn

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    Especially since she was pregnant in "Endgame"...
     
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    Nice bigoted remark that was.
     
  15. nx1701g

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    I started to notice some changes in Faces
     
  16. Timo

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    ...Whereas I still can't see any real "change" there.

    I mean, yeah, the ridges may be half a centimeter wider in some episodes and narrower in others, but so are Picard's wrinkles, depending on the amount of makeup applied from day to day, on the lighting conditions, and so forth. And so are Stewart's wrinkles in the real world.

    And judging by those photos, the latter-day B'Elanna just combs her hair differently: you don't really see her hairline the way you see it in the pilot, as the lowermost visible hairs go forward rather than up.

    Worf changed a lot. Ro changed a little (perhaps those little V things only become visible when the character frowns, and Ro eventually learned to relax :p ). But the human characters seem to have changed more than Torres. Which is something of a shame, as Klingon hairdos are distressingly monotonic, perhaps as dictated by their culture.

    Was it solely the captain's privilege to get a new 'do every now and then? I mean, seven years... Wouldn't they get fed up with seeing the same faces day after day, including the one in the mirror?

    Of course, we could argue that these folks did go for change. And that could include subtle facial surgery, which would be no more complicated than getting a haircut today. Perhaps Worf just decided to redo his forehead one day, and liked the new style a lot? Perhaps Klingon women get hairier by the week, and Torres fights a descending hairline with occasional surgery?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  17. Good Will Riker

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    Just look at Scotty, Riker, Sisko, and Geordi as proof of that. :borg:
     
  18. baxart

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    Count ridges. 4 to 3. She has small ridges near her eyebrows in pic one. They make her look more sinister. I feel they changed her ridges to increase her attractiveness, and soften her image.
     
  19. Jax

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    Is it only me but towards the end of the show, the actress looks better with the ridges than without :p
     
  20. Timo

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    Hmh? It looks to me like the lowermost three ridges are the same in both versions, at the same distance from the eyes and so on. The very uppermost faint ridge in the original is just masked by the hair in the final version.

    OTOH, Naomi Wildman did grow a definite fourth horn in her teens...

    Timo Saloniemi