Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlock?

[Guy Gardener]

Beautiful, beautiful Sam invented that toxic environmental protocol which put Vidiians into a coma after a few seconds trying to breathed the mildly poisoned air of Voyager.

Any Assault on Voyager by Vidiians unprepared for this defensive measure would have failed.

Not only would both ships have survived, but the two Kathy's would have had the opportunity to seize the Vidian vessel which she must have had no choice but to do otherwise she'd come to feel responsible after the fact for the next few thousands of innocents the that crew and that ship harvested.

Maroon the buggers and take their ship.

2 crews, 3 ships.

Oh dear.

How are they going to allocate command positions now, now that there are two Janeways, two Tuvok's and two Chakotays?

 

[ChaosAngel]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

Sure they'd hav 3 ships but remember, the two Voyagers where using the same anti-matter supply. Thats why one ship had to be destroyed. And why not make it the one about to be harvested? In the end it all works out to the reset-button effect that keeps Voyager in ship shape.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

No ma'am, Voyager blew itself up to take out the Vidiian ship and their boarding party.

Now just because the spacial scisson didn't duplicate antimater, it didn't mean that they couldn't get more antimatter from the regular sort of place they tank up given a more indefinite timetable.

Hell they had enough of it sometimes that Tuvok just threw antimatter pods at the bad guys.

 

[ChaosAngel]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

Hmmm true and they probly could have taken the anti-matter from the Viidians ship. So tell me this, how do they separate the two ships then?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

Either use a phase regulator or jury rig the shuttles into huge mobile pattern enhancers to adjust the resonance of the two ships matter, separating them both safely and then reafirm them each with the rest for the universe stably.... Like one of those cross your heart bras.

How did harry and Naomi get from ship to ship?

They just walked through a wibbly woobly spacey wacey thingy, right?

One of the Janeway's sacrificed her ship because she believed that the Vidian boarding sortie would make it onto the other ship too.... If only Pressman's Phase Cloak technology hadn't been outlawed, but then just your basic cloacking technology is outlawed even if Harry and Seven knew that forbidden knowledge (Apple in Eden backwards? Invisibility equals naked modesty.) backwards and forwards without need of an owners manual or nothing.

Then the explosion from the Vidian ship and the Terran ship had no effect on the copy of that Teran ship... Oh? If the Vidian ship was only in sync with one of those ships, and it wasn't a master copy that it was in phase with, then all of the universe except the other voyager was sympatico matter, but come the credits it was the other Voyager who flew free and was found to be in sync with the rest of the universe.

Ergo: The Vidiian ship was also a copy.

I made a hypothesis a while back that Voyager could have cured the Phage if they'd told the Vidiians about the Spacial scission, but if that ship was already a copy, then it's not only already possible that the Vidians were mass replicating stolen organs already but that they may have made the spacial scission in the first place if not claimed it in the name of their empire during some stint at exploration.

Janeway was ignorantly tresspassing in Vidian territory?

 

[ChaosAngel]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

Well she did make a habit of ignorantly trespassing and/or violating alien laws... Besides, if the Viidian's could mass replicate organs, wouldn't that completely eliminate the need to harvest them in the first place?
Now that I think abit, if the crew from the Voyager that was being attacked managed to take the Vidiians ship and assuming that someone has enough sense to try one of your plans and it works, would they have 2 ships? Would the one Janeway outrank the other? It's so broken... My head hurts now...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

Whichever Captain has the ship with superior tactical aquity takes lead according to Ransom. Picard assuming command of the fleet in First contact seems a close approximation to that rule.

Imagine if the Disease becomes "organ resistant"? that generations of mutated phage kills the same "duplicated" organs over and over again... It would get very very good at it, that eventually completely viable organs would be useless to the needs of requirement. Cannon fodder.

Though if they found the scisson rather than "made" it, then this could be a new development to their crusade against this affliction... Or it could just be the "cure" which the Think tank came up with.

I mean because of the losses and short fall in manpower during the dominion war, you'd have to wonder if Starfleet though about massproducing "Officers" in the same way that Tom Riker was created, if cloning was not completely allowed, despite Pulaski's Frankenstienlike experiments, because of the embargo against eugenics.

 

[ChaosAngel]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

Wait so Fleet isn't already massproducing red-shirt ensigns aka cannon fodder?! Wow, now I've heard everything.
I know about that ship rule but think about it. How can Janeway out rank herself (exception of Admiral Janeway)?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

In Deadlock, the Janeway's talked about which of their ships was more doomed and which of them was more willing to sacrifice themself for the others ship and crew, and you'll remember that the ship/crews took turns being the most frakked.

You know the hype that the citizen-soldier fighting for her/his home is worth a hundred mercinaries or thugs, which is why every one loses when they go into Russia and attacks the people but the Russian "army" ot it's ass handed to it by Afghanistan Hill-billies still steeped in tech from the 19th century.

CIA bought rocket launchers helped too, but that's contrary to myth.

I'm surprised they didn't go back tot he M5? That Bugger with B'Elanna's voice Dreadnaught was it? Basically a Starship run by AI which is the Road that Kathy was going down too when she permitted the Doctor to brach out into the command structure.

 

[ChaosAngel]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

And here I thought it was cause the Russians are crazy drunk on vodka.
I don't see how you can compare the doctor and the re-writen cardie AI. The doctor wouldn't go kill crazy like Dreadnought. He basicly served as a backup measure incase the crew has to evac the ship. I think it would be more similar if she just upgraded the auto-piolit.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

He beat up Kes' boyfriend, betrayed the crew to those Holoterrorist, cut into Seven of Nines brain with a knife, went mental because triage was too conflictive, and took arms against the entire crew to save a kidnapped janeway.

If computers are programmed well, then they do what they're supposed to. If they're programmed by an idiot, an incompetent, an evil bastard or themselves in the case of the Doctor sometimes then they're capable of being quite capricious or off kilter.

Imagine if there were two Voaygers during Futures end?

Braxton wouldn't know which Voyager to Kill.

It's the Picard manoeuvre if illusion were truth!

They might have stood a chance against Starling too.

And Sarah Silverman could have had the threesome with Stereo Toms.

Which might have still birth the computer revolution of the 1970s if that cross time adventure was too flummoxed, removing humanity as players form the galactic stage and erasing both braxoton and Janeway form history that they would never have existed to go or not go into the past.

 

[ChaosAngel]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

Hmmm I don't know 'bout that hey. Eventualy someone would have discovered the computer. So humanity would have joind the galactic stage, it just would have taken abit longer for it to happen.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Because of Fury, does that mean that both Voyagers survived Deadlo

In an alternate future seen in DS9's Future Tense, earth is removed of human life because of the mildest historic deflection from the establishment, until there's a Romulan flag flying on Alpha Centauri, which means the pointy eared bastards bought up our graveyard some what cheap too.

It's a bloody miracle we survived ourselves.

And you have to remember that without pruning back all the dickheads with world war three, nothing good would have ever come from man and that's a stretch of continuity that no dumb boffin should even consider fiddling with in case the wrong people died or the wrong people survived, or WWIII was avoided completely and we had such an overpopulation issue that we choked on our own filth, starved and never diverted funds to Zephram Chocrane's FTL initiative.