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Battling apathy

Ood Sigma

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I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but I've been struggling pretty badly with apathy toward the Star Trek literature line as of late. This is coming from someone who started reading the books soon after getting into fandom in 1992. I began buying all the current releases, and around 1997 I sought out all the books I had missed, catching up on 100+ titles. Since then I've bought the entire Pocket Books fiction line, including all trades, eBook-only stories, etc. I always eagerly awaited each release - I used to stalk the bookstores, including going every day during the week of the release until the book(s) turned up on the shelf.

These days, I try to make it within the week of release, but I put it off to avoid a wasted trip. I'm generally going through the books slower. During the recent 4-month break due to the cancellation of the movie follow-ups, I found myself not missing getting a new book each month. I've purchased the two available Typhon Pact books, but despite loving the Destiny books and looking forward to seeing the aftermath, I found myself not really caring what happened to the characters.

I've been one of the biggest Star Trek book fans over the better part of two decades; analyzing the situation, I find it amazing that I'm feeling this way, but I can't deny it. I'm not sure if it has to do with the content of the books or the cutbacks (planned and unplanned) to the schedule, or maybe I'm just losing interest in Trek in general. Anyone else feeling this way?
 
I'm still reading them as they come out, except for the trades which take me a few months to get to for one reason or another, but I'm not enjoying them nearly as much as I used to. Except for Sorrows of Empire I just think everything that's come out this year has been pretty weak. And In the past when I've read read a new good ST book I've wanted to make my way through the pre-2000 backlog I need to finish but that's just not happening this this year. I read a new book, think it's weak and read some non-ST. I've read less than 25% of the ST books I read last year.

To be fair though, the last few years I was blasting through all the older books I was interested in and the stuff that's left I'm less interested in. For example, I've read every DS9 book but I still have most of the numbered Voyager book so I'm just going to be less interested in reading old books.

Yeah, I know Angry Robot or someone else blew a hole in the schedule and Pocket had to scramble on top of what looks like 3 rounds of editors being laid off but the reasons don't matter. In my opinion this has been the weakest year in ST fiction in a long time, forget the quantity, the quality has lagged.

And stopping by the book store during lunch hoping for next release is out like I was doing for books like I remember doing for the Terok Nor series? Not happening, I get them when it's convenient and they don't automatically float to the top of my book pile.
 
Well, for me it is a little different. My reading interest tends towards the OCD mentality. What this means is that for 1 month, 2 months and in some cases years I will focus on a particular genre or series to the exclusion of everything else. The fact that I am not a fast reader nor do I have large blocks of reading time a day is what makes it stretch out.
Seriously, I will get on a Star Wars Lit kick that may run for months or a year and I wont read anything else. Then, without warning it will switch to Star Trek, video game tie-ins, rereading LOTR/Hobbit/etc. Then all that goes away and I am reading your standard Space Opera or Hard SF such as Hamilton, Reynolds, Banks. History also falls into the mix from time to time. One genre I have not really had a mania about is Fantasy (other than the aforementioned Tolkien).
Right now I am on a Star Trek mania that has been going on for the last 8 months. Currently about 10% thru last book in Destiny series.
Will I continue with Trek after Destiny I do not know at the moment. I would say yes but really don't know for sure. I have the entire Vanguard series and the last couple books in the Titan series still on the pile. Not to mention the stuff after Destiny. Of course there is a another pile of non-Trek stuffl. Good problem to have in my thinking.
 
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I've been one of the biggest Star Trek book fans over the better part of two decades; analyzing the situation, I find it amazing that I'm feeling this way, but I can't deny it. I'm not sure if it has to do with the content of the books or the cutbacks (planned and unplanned) to the schedule, or maybe I'm just losing interest in Trek in general. Anyone else feeling this way?

I got that way in 2003 -- the third season of Enterprise premiered. I watched the season opener and hated it. I also acknowledged that I'd been watching the last 5 or so years of televised Trek out of a sense of duty, not because I actually enjoyed Voyager or Enterprise to any significant degree. I didn't come back until late in season 4, when fan buzz clued me in that the show was much improved. Almost immediately after I got back, the show was canceled.

In the interim, I took a year-long hiatus (2004) from all things Trek - including novels (there were no comics at that time, so I didn't miss anything there.)

This is the principal reason why I've never read the ATT series -- it came out during my GAFIA* year, and I've never felt compelled to fill in that gap. Someday I will, but I'll probably have to wait until after Star Trek publishing itself goes away for a while, then I'll still have "new" stories...

While trying to fill in the year-long gap in my collection in 2005, I made the valuable discovery that Trek hardcovers and trade paperbacks were (are?) plentiful and CHEAP on the remainder market. Filling in the missing MMPBs was MUCH harder, but I managed to do so in short order as well.

Anyway, if you're not getting the buzz from Star Trek, then let it go for a while and see how you feel coming back to it fresh after a year or two. I still enjoy the franchise, but don't get bent out of shape if I don't read the new titles as soon as they're released.

*Old-time fanspeak for "Getting Away From It All."
 
My general dislike of the direction the Trek line has gone in, along with with a huge drop in quality over the last year and a half has pretty much killed the Trek line for me. Zero Sum Game and Seize the Fire were the final nails in the coffin for me. I waited a year for these? I can't believe STF was even published it's so bad.

At 1st the idea of having a lot more freedom than the Richard Arnold days was a great thing and opened up tons of possibilities for moving the characters and universe forward.

But I think the writers and editor's went too wild with their new found freedom and have taken the books WAY off base from what I'm interested in. Not all, but some of the characters have been changed so much in the name of 'growth' that I hardly recognize them anymore.

Riker's actions in parts of STF, Picard's portrayal in Destiny, Bashir's portrayal in ZSG (to a lesser extent), the building of Ezri into an unrecognizable writer's pet...Meanwhile characters like O'Brien languish in limbo. The complete beating into the ground of the Mirror Universe concept, the whole idea of the MU is so played out now.

The only series I feel any optimism towards is the Voyager Relaunch.

Also I feel that there are too many of the same writers working on the books. The line needs more fresh blood. Maybe that's part of why the Voyager books seem so refreshing.
Yes new writers occasionally pop up and there are a few others in the mix, but WAY too often now it's:

Mack/Krad/Leisner/Martin/Bennett...shuffle, repeat. over and over.

Frankly I'm tired of these writers. In fact I'd love to see some of them move on, bring in new writers. Bring in another strong editor. Or maybe Pocket should lose the franchise and give it to another company willing to put some actual effort and care into the series, and not treat it like some afterthought. Or just reset to picking up from the end of all the respective shows again.

Really I no control over any of those things, and none of them are really my problem. I'm just spending my money elsewhere. All I know if that the Trek books have taken a complete nosedive in quality.

Some sort of major shake up is needed, because in the space of a couple of years the Trek novels gone from being generally medium to high quality to bottom of the barrel for me.
 
I gotta say, it's pretty depressing when the thread for one of the most anticipated releases of the year is full of people not even finishing the book because it's so lame, and no one posting any positive reviews. I'm still in for the long haul, and I think this coming year has some stuff with more potential, but damn.

It's certainly true that right now there's a noticeable drop in quality from all the editorial shuffling, and it seems like that'll be continuing well into next year (since it sounds like Costas left too), but there were some pretty rough years under Ordover with all the ridiculous trilogies/crossover Events, and with Arnold's interference before that. There'll be another good run eventually.

As for apathy in general, I've gone through a few periods like that. Just remember, it's always possible to catch back up again later, and sometimes that's a lot of fun. I'd been off TrekLit from 2003 to 2008, and read all five years worth and then some over the course of 2009 and LOVED it. Right now, Legacy Of The Force turned me off Star Wars so strongly that, despite reading every single published SW novel before LOTF book 6, I haven't read one since. That book was HORRIBLE. Don't know if I'll ever head back that way, but it could happen.

Either way it's not a life-changer; there's plenty of stuff to read. If you're not enjoying it, leave. It'll be there if you ever want to come back to it; Trek isn't going anywhere.
 
Mack/Krad/Leisner/Martin/Bennett...shuffle, repeat. over and over.

Frankly I'm tired of these writers.
Wow... two novels, and I've already worn out my welcome.

I did say my feelings were mainly about the last year and a half. And I don't dislike any of the writer's I named, though of course I like some more than others. I mainly just feel the same writers are overused and I'd just like more fresh blood bought in, that's all.
 
Mack/Krad/Leisner/Martin/Bennett...shuffle, repeat. over and over.

Frankly I'm tired of these writers.
Wow... two novels, and I've already worn out my welcome.

I did say my feelings were mainly about the last year and a half. And I don't dislike any of the writer's I named, though of course I like some more than others. I mainly just feel the same writers are overused and I'd just like more fresh blood bought in, that's all.
If you're talking about the last year and a half, then you're saying I've been overused by having written one novel.

Which actually may make me a bit more overused than Keith, who's only had one novella published in that period. And definitely more overused than Christopher, who hasn't had any Trek fiction of any kind released since March '09.

Hell, for kicks, let's just list off the authors of the primary TrekLit releases of the past 18 months:

6/09: Galanter
7/09: Leisner
8/09: Woods
9/09: McCormack
10/09: Beyer
10/09: Martin
11/09: Swallow
12/09: Mack
1/10: Mack
2/10: Perry & Dennison
3/10: David
4/10: Bonanno
5/10: Stern
6-10/10: reprints
11/10: Mack
12/10: Martin

Even granting the point that Dave Mack and Mike Martin have written more than one book each in this period, they are way, way outnumbered by the variety of different authors I hear you pining for.
 
Was a major fan of the line over the last fifteen years; always looked forward to the upcoming releases. But I lost interest in the books a while back, as bit by bit some of the series that interested me appeared to vanish (DS9), suffered from poor quality (ENT), or both (VOY). Then Destiny came along and swept the carpet out from under the rest of the 24th century, taking the universe as a whole in a direction I was repelled by. That was the straw (well, ACME anvil--whatever else might be said about Destiny, it's no lightweight) that broke the camel's back. The setting? I don't recognize this smoky ruin. Established characters? I don't know who half of them are anymore. The Trek line has passed beyond the point of requisite familiarity, for this reader at least. Utterly unfettered, it has gone off to do its own thing, bearing increasingly little similarity to the product that drew me into the fictional universe in the first place.

Apathy. Yes and no; once it was dislike at the direction, but apathy is steadily taking over. I have post-Destiny books on my shelves, bought before I actually discovered what this 'bold new direction' was, or else purchased by well-meaning relative; I've no interest in reading them. I do have some Trek works I'm nominally still interested in--books like Soul Key and Never-Ending Sacrifice--but the apathy I feel about the rest of the line is infectious, and these books keep getting de-prioritized over other subjects, shuffled back into the pile. Every so often I look at the reviews online to see if the line might be heading in a direction I might be more favourable to, but all I see is more of the same character destruction and bleak realpolitik. And where my objections before were, admitedly, intensely subjective, there seems to be a growing consensus that the line as a whole is growing anemic beyond the question of content. Thinning, quantitatively and qualitatively.

To be honest, though Destiny was the undeniable break-point, in retrospect I can see that my interest had been waning for some time. I only got to Destiny--the great event--over half-a-year after it was released, where once I was on this forum for every new book, scoping out when my fellows were finding their copies. I think back now to when it started to go pear-shaped, and I would say it was mid-2006. This was the period in which Pocket was full in the throes of its anniversarial fixation, and the schedule from mid-2006 to mid-2007 was almost entirely given over to TOS, a series I'd never followed. My purchases and readings went from nigh-monthly to nearly-nill, and I don't think my interest was ever peaked as strongly as it was before this exclusionary stretch. Perhaps, if every release after the drought had been as strong as The Buried Age it might have been different, but we pretty much immediately were launched into the Borg arc as soon as the Year of TOS was over, complete with the highly varying quality of its entries, the editorial faux-pas, and the overbearing overuse of the eponymous villain(s). That, combined with the silliness on the ENT side of things and the unfortunate stumbling about on the DS9 side of things, primed my abandon for when Destiny thundered in. A potential lesson for Pocket: never hold out on your addicts for too long, or they'll wander off to another dealer's corner. :rommie:

Right now, Legacy Of The Force turned me off Star Wars so strongly that, despite reading every single published SW novel before LOTF book 6, I haven't read one since. That book was HORRIBLE. Don't know if I'll ever head back that way, but it could happen.

Ditto, though I didn't make it quite as far as as the sixth book (third or fourth, can't quite recall at the moment), and I have tried some of the stuff set earlier in the timeline (eh). I've abandoned quite a few franchises in the last few years. Legacy of the Force killed Star Wars for me. Destiny, Trek. I used to buy every trade set in Marvel's Ultimate universe, then they trashed the setting and slaughtered half their cast for no reason, and I haven't read a single issue of that continuity since. Battlestar Galatica, haven't bothered with any of the DVDs or spin-offs since the series finale took a giant dump all over the premise. Don't know if they ever plan to do more material for LOST, but if they did, I'd shun the hell out of it. I don't know if all these rejections are a result of a confluence of generic trends, the darker and grittier fad and the propensity for facile religiosity, or if I've simply grown less tolerant when it comes to my media. Certainly the amount of time I have to devote to pleasure reading has dropped significantly, so when I choose what I read, I'm more cautious in my choices, prioritizing works I feel more likely to actually give me pleasure rather than frustration.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
^ As we've discussed many times, I loved Destiny and still contend it's one of the best Trek works ever, but I think we should probably avoid opening that particular can of worms in here. And I also thought, aside from the Borg arc, the general quality of the books from 2006 through Destiny was pretty outstanding.

I only mention this because while I disagree with your particular experiences there, it's hard to disagree with your ultimate conclusion. I've been a HUGE TV/tie-in nut for a long time, and it seemed like there were always a lot of these long-form TV/tie-in narratives to find. I followed SW, ST, and on TV all of Whedon's stuff, Farscape, Trek, Babylon 5, Veronica Mars, Lost, and Battlestar... and right now, Trek certainly hasn't been wowing, SW is inarguably disappointing if not outright awful, and all those TV shows are gone. All I've got right now is hope that next year's Trek will be less disappointing, and Chuck. Which is great.

Seems like a dry time for nerd-obsessions of any particular variety.

On the plus side, I've been reading a lot of standalone sci-fi novels that've been building up on my shelf for the last couple of years. Recent discoveries: Greg Egan and Michael Flynn.
 
I was obsessed with the new continuity (beginning with the DS9 relaunch) when it began and bought the new books as they came out, but my enthusiasm waned during the Mission Gamma books. I stopped reading at some point after that with books (Worlds of DS9, Time to, Titan) unread.

Then this year I decided to get back into the books, and not only have I have been catching up on the newer stuff -- the TNG, Voy, DS9, Enterprise, and Titan books so far -- but I've been revisiting those older books I couldn't get into back in 2005 and discovering that now I like them.

Maybe we just over-indulge on a good thing and stop enjoying it after a while. It happens with every pleasure and I doubt Trek lit is an exception.
 
On the plus side, I've been reading a lot of standalone sci-fi novels that've been building up on my shelf for the last couple of years. Recent discoveries: Greg Egan and Michael Flynn.

Both good choices--I like the conjunction of 'hard' science-fiction and a more social sciences outlook. It often seems to me that a lot of scenarios forget to ask how people change. In the same vein, I never pass up an opportunity to recommend Robert J. Sawyer, who writes to similar issues (if not the same sensibility) and has become one of my favourite authors as I've been reading his corpus over the last few years.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
I'm battling apathy as well towards the Trek line. Besides Sorrows of Empire, it's been about twelve months since I've finished a post-Destiny Trek novel. Reading Zero Sum Game... I made it about half way through and put it down in boredom. Same thing happened with The Romulan War, Inception and The Needs of the Many.

I keep buying and I keep getting disappointed... which will probably lead me to quit buying at some point. :(
 
How about some ideas, where would we like trek books to go after Typhon Pact Cold War.

We can't really have a full war again, not after Dominion/Borg invasions. Just be repeating itself.
The popular novels are one's that delve into existing cultures and familiar territory. Worlds Of DS9 was popular as they went deeper into the mythos of races we have come to know alot.
Mis-characterisation is an issue, I feel especially with the TNG novels. So many new characters have come and go that it's hard to get a hold on who is shaping the crew. Picard and Beverly (aswell as Troi in Titan) have been particularily painful to read. Bashir in the recent TP novel was a bit off too.

We're also falling away from familiarity. The characters from the TV shows have long since moved on and the relaunch line is great, but there is something about writers creating their own universe and original fiction at the concequence of alienating their audience.

It's a tricky path to take as editors and writers (I don't envy you), how far can you push the relaunch before what we have is completely different to the title of the book.
 
We can't really have a full war again, not after Dominion/Borg invasions. Just be repeating itself.

I don't see how that's a problem. Star Trek has never predominantly been a series about war. Prior to the Dominion War arc on DS9, we never saw a state of war existing in the Trek universe for more than one episode (or comics storyline). And there's been relatively little war-related material since then -- just A Time to Kill/A Time to Heal, Destiny, and The Romulan War, mostly. (I'm not counting ST Online because that's a game and it has a different set of priorities.) So it's not like ST has ever had trouble finding stories to tell without having a war break out.
 
How about some ideas, where would we like trek books to go after Typhon Pact Cold War.

That's the tricky thing. I'm not sure.

I do miss the stand-alone TNG novels with the big, loud font on the front with great cover paintings set during the series run.

Those were always fun to read... just finished Rogue Saucer and The Captains' Honor not too long ago. I guess I'd want books a bit less serious, shorter in length and with more adventure. Exploring big ideas' would be a plus.
 
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