Baton-Rouge class
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You may want to check out MadMan1701A's thread on the "Kelvin"-like Constellation.
It might help to know what exactly a Baton Rouge class looks like. If memory serves that doesn't sound like an official class.
Yes, the only time that ship "appeared" was in Goldstein & Goldstein's 1980 illustrated book "The Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology", with illustrations by Rick Sternbach, BTW.
Plan view
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt204/emperorkalan/SFC/22ndcentury11.jpg
It's from the 1980 Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology, and designed by Rich Sternbach as the immediate predecessor to the Constitution class as Starfleet's "queens of the fleet".
Frankly, I'd like to see a good model of one in regular configuration before a Kelvin-like variant, but that's me.
I've always had a soft spot for this design, ever since I first saw it in the Spaceflight Chronology in the bookstore, circa 1980 (probably thumbing through it before I could actually pull together the latinum to actually purchase it.) 
I'd love to see a 3d model of the original design, as well -- though, I seem to recall that someone was working on one at some point in the not too distant past.
Still, this design does look as if it would lend itself fairly easily to a "Kelvinization".
This definitely looks like a job for Superma ..., Madman!!!
I'd love to see a 3d model of the original design, as well -- though, I seem to recall that someone was working on one at some point in the not too distant past.
Still, this design does look as if it would lend itself fairly easily to a "Kelvinization".
This definitely looks like a job for Superma ..., Madman!!!
Thanks for the vote of confidence. 
I don't know if I like this ship or not... It's kind of ugly.
I don't know if I like this ship or not... It's kind of ugly.
I posted over in Warped9's "TOS U.S.S. Valiant and Farragut...." thread some of my thoughts (and a drawing) on the third page about how starships could have evolved in the early days of the Federation. I'd like think that my idea of the Declaration, Charter of Liberties and Magna Carta classes of starcruiser would be somewhat similar to how the Horizon and Baton Rouge of Chronology fame would illustrate the evolution of the starship design all of us here know and love.
Not ENTIRELY true... the ship has appeared quite a few time in non-canon media (novels, comics, etc).
In fact, the idea was that James Kirk, after the Farragut disaster, was assigned as first officer to the USS Alexander, a Baton Rouge class ship. During that time, he was promoted to Commander and given the captaincy of the ship. This was his "destroyer class" command prior to being awarded the Enterprise and being promoted to the rank of Captain.
That was the most popular "pre-TOS" background for Kirk, though please bear in mind that not one bit of what I just said was ever on-screen (except for the bit about the destroyer-type ship, never named or defined in any way).
Where did this come from? I really think that the first time it was brought up was in the DC Comics annual, "All those years ago..." which dealt with Kirk's first mission aboard Enterprise after taking command from Pike. There have been other "first mission" tales over the years, but "All those years ago..." is still the best liked, and (to me) most believable.
Enough people liked that story that it sort of stuck, albeit unofficially, that the Alexander was Kirk's first command (you don't just hand the Flagship of the Federation to an unproven officer... or to an obnoxious cadet for that matter!) and that it was a Baton Rouge class vessel.
The Baton Rouge class is one of the more popular ships because it is very "TOS-ish" while not just being a redress of the Enterprise's parts.
Among the most well-recognized references to this ship was in the book "The Final Reflection" (still perhaps the best Trek novel of all time, IMHO) where Admiral Whitetree is aboard the USS Glasgow, a Baton Rouge class ship.
The only "onscreen" reference to a ship named Baton Rouge was in the 24th century, in the TNG episode "Eye of the Beholder." However, since very little of that episode was "real" and since this was a century later, it's unlikely that this referred to the Baton Rouge we're talking about, and more likely that it's just a "tip of the hat."
Here's a shot of a fan-made model of the ship, by the way.
http://www.starshipmodeler.info/wfest2k5/jl_v_12-030s.jpg
Just to add to Cary's list, in one of the comics under Marvel's TMP-era license (compilation currently available from IDW), the USS Republic (NCC-1371), mentioned in "Court Martial", was depicted as as Baton Rouge class ship.
I've, slowly, been working on a model of the ship (in this thread). I had HOPED to have it done by the time Star Trek 09 came out.
Well, it'll get done when I get to it.
BUT, I have been using some elements from the new Star Trek in it as you can see here.
Let's see if I can do an inline picture from Picassa.
Well, it'll get done when I get to it.
BUT, I have been using some elements from the new Star Trek in it as you can see here.
Let's see if I can do an inline picture from Picassa.
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Nice modeling...
I still don't like the source material, though. Did somebody say Probert designed this thing? I would have thought it would be a little more refined than it is...
Sorry to be so negative. I tried to like it.
I still don't like the source material, though.
Did somebody say Probert designed this thing? I would have thought it would be a little more refined than it is...Sorry to be so negative. I tried to like it.
Rick Sternbach, not Probert. And he's expressed the view that he doesn't care for some of the designs he made back then either. (Don't know if this is one of them or not.)Nice modeling...
I still don't like the source material, though.
Sorry to be so negative. I tried to like it.
No prob with not liking it. Everyone has their preferences. Heck, overall, I do like it, but I don't care for the "dish on a stick" business. Never have, even back to the Franz Joseph ships.
The original artwork, including the unpublished side view:
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt204/emperorkalan/SFC/batonrougeWstraight.jpg
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt204/emperorkalan/SFC/batonrougeWstraight.jpg
There's a probe from outside the galaxy that's much smaller than the whale probe but is a cylinder with similar relattive proportions (probably not exact, though).i had a question about that book i saw near the end of it something that reselmbed the Whale Probe was that really in there or is my downloaded copy of this book possibly modified
Where would you have downloaded it from?
