batman 700 like it or hate it!
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^ Two words - Grant Morrison.
I think it's almost a given that most of the times Grant Morrison is writing Batman, *I* will only have a hazy picture of what's going on.
I remember reading RIP and going WTF - I was told that things would make sense if I went back and re-read all the graphic novels starting with Batman & Son and I did and it was still WTF on reading RIP. "Something big is going on, it's a conspiracy to take down Batman, but Batman is the g-ddamned BatGod and triumphs over all." That seems to cover it... And the first two clauses in that are soooo hazy that I don't know what is going on.
It just left me with far too many mundane questions - How did the Batman get from x to y. These are unimportant to GM's style of storytelling...
Edit: I haven't read #700 as yet. Will be a long time before I do since I wait for the graphic novel to arrive at the library...
I think it's almost a given that most of the times Grant Morrison is writing Batman, *I* will only have a hazy picture of what's going on.
I remember reading RIP and going WTF - I was told that things would make sense if I went back and re-read all the graphic novels starting with Batman & Son and I did and it was still WTF on reading RIP. "Something big is going on, it's a conspiracy to take down Batman, but Batman is the g-ddamned BatGod and triumphs over all." That seems to cover it... And the first two clauses in that are soooo hazy that I don't know what is going on.
It just left me with far too many mundane questions - How did the Batman get from x to y. These are unimportant to GM's style of storytelling...
Edit: I haven't read #700 as yet. Will be a long time before I do since I wait for the graphic novel to arrive at the library...
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I just read this the other night and I have to agree with you. It's not one of the comics that you can just read through in five minutes and totally absorb. I had to go back and reread a couple of times to get everything, especially the stuff towards the end. One we get to the "Damien Batman age" things got weirder. I realized that I had seen a couple of the "Batmen" in the back of the issue before (such as the one with the robot Robin) but it's been a while and my memories of those stories are a bit fuzzy.
All that said, I enjoyed the issue and really liked the artwork. I found it interesting that Damien took on his father's mantle, but not all his principles. The preview of the "Batman Beyond" universe was awesome as well.
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I just read this the other night and I have to agree with you. It's not one of the comics that you can just read through in five minutes and totally absorb. I had to go back and reread a couple of times to get everything, especially the stuff towards the end. One we get to the "Damien Batman age" things got weirder. I realized that I had seen a couple of the "Batmen" in the back of the issue before (such as the one with the robot Robin) but it's been a while and my memories of those stories are a bit fuzzy.
All that said, I enjoyed the issue and really liked the artwork. I found it interesting that Damien took on his father's mantle, but not all his principles. The preview of the "Batman Beyond" universe was awesome as well.
I just read and enjoyed it, though it wasn't as nearly as epic as the previews suggested. As GMagnus suggested, I think this'll need a couple of re-reads.
On the minus side, Frank Quietly failed to finish his segment of the story; on the plus, the depictions of various future Batmen was really cool, and it appears Terry McGuinnes is under the tutelage of Damian, rather than Bruce, in the DCU.
On the minus side, Frank Quietly failed to finish his segment of the story; on the plus, the depictions of various future Batmen was really cool, and it appears Terry McGuinnes is under the tutelage of Damian, rather than Bruce, in the DCU.
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I enjoyed it. #700 was such a contrast to #600.
Bruce Wayne: Murderer (#600) was so dark and the Batman so EXTREME (with all capitals) that the throwback stories afterward felt like a relief and it would've been more pleasant to go back. The Batman of 2002 was emotionally stunted and the story couldn't have possibly been more bleak, and it was all intentional to show how far off the edge "There is no Bruce Wayne!" Batman had gone.
Time and the Batman (#700), OTOH, also spanned different Batman eras but the story connected the past, present, and future, then continued to go further and further in the future at the end. It showed a Batman universe that you could look forward to seeing progress. Since a lighter tone with an interconnected lore is what Grant Morrison was aiming for, I will say that this issue is proof that he's succeeded.
Other than the way Cassandra Cain just walked off, literally, I'm happy with the direction the Batman books are going in.
Not that I didn't like the Batman of the early-'00s, I did, but I'm glad they changed direction.
Bruce Wayne: Murderer (#600) was so dark and the Batman so EXTREME (with all capitals) that the throwback stories afterward felt like a relief and it would've been more pleasant to go back. The Batman of 2002 was emotionally stunted and the story couldn't have possibly been more bleak, and it was all intentional to show how far off the edge "There is no Bruce Wayne!" Batman had gone.
Time and the Batman (#700), OTOH, also spanned different Batman eras but the story connected the past, present, and future, then continued to go further and further in the future at the end. It showed a Batman universe that you could look forward to seeing progress. Since a lighter tone with an interconnected lore is what Grant Morrison was aiming for, I will say that this issue is proof that he's succeeded.
Other than the way Cassandra Cain just walked off, literally, I'm happy with the direction the Batman books are going in.
Not that I didn't like the Batman of the early-'00s, I did, but I'm glad they changed direction.
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I loved Batman#700 and there was an interview with the editor on it last week on Newsarama where he confirmed that was Damien in the Batman Beyond segment not Bruce Wayne but felt he could still be left for fans to decide. I loved the time spanning tale featuring four different Batmen including the Batman of DC One Million. The Damien age segment was interesting...was the baby that was Jokerfied supposed to be Terry? Also the Robin with Damien Batman against the Mutants supposed to be a young Terry too?
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It was.
That couldn't have been Damian Batman. Each page in the fourth chapter went further and further into the future and Old Damian with McGinnis Batman was on the previous page.
That was Damien's Batman costume though and in his segment unless that was supposed to be a modified Bruce costume. I thought the baby was Terry. Also enjoyed the Batcave splash pages that were included although they would have been better saved for a future Batman Secret Files and Origins which I hope is still coming soon. Superman#700 is next week as James Robinson ends his run and JMS starts his in the final segment.
I wish Morrison had found a way to work Jean-Paul Valley's era into the story. That's my only real complaint.
Mr. Light that is how some fans felt about Batman #666 but it would appear that is the direction that Morrison is moving his run towards. People have had to re-read that issue several times. Professor Pyg first appeared in that issue. It may have seemed like a stand alone issue right now but we have no idea yet how it will affect the status quo or if it even will.
I'm actually hoping that Morrison will do an arc with Damien as Batman during the end of his run with the character. His take on Batman Beyond has me fascinated as well.
Are we sure that the Batman Beyond section featured Damian, instead of Bruce? The only reason I question this is because the upcoming Batman Beyond comic series (which, to my knowledge, officially brings BB into the DCU) features Bruce Wayne as Terry's mentor (as in the cartoon).
Of course, the upcoming mini-series might end up being an Elseworlds-like tale and might still feature Damian in some role and explain this seemingly inconsistency away.
Of course, the upcoming mini-series might end up being an Elseworlds-like tale and might still feature Damian in some role and explain this seemingly inconsistency away.
^ They did. Morrison's take on it was his own and possibly part of his run thus why Damien was used instead of Bruce.
I'm not convinced of that at all; I thought Terry's mentor looked too old to be Damien, who would only have been about forty-five at most at that time, seeing as Terry was just an infant when Damien was in his mid-twenties.
But Bruce would have been too old, too.
Maybe Dick?
No as I stated it was confirmed in an interview conducted by I believe Newsarama but it might also have been Comic Book Resources with the Bat-Editor who said Grant intended that person guiding Terry to be Damien. It WAS an older Damien not Bruce but then right after that he stated that it can be left for fans to decide and debate about to. Which is obviously happening lol.
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