• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Bajoran/Human Hybrids

^They would have the prenatal issue of not being able to get pregnant naturally, or the prenatal issue of automatic miscarriage within a couple of week.

Well, Kira Nerys was able to carry Kirayoshi O'Brien to term with minimal complications that I was aware of. I postulated from that information it is possible for a Bajoran female to be able to support a half-human infant. Granted that Kira wasn't impregnated by O'Brien, but I imagine that Bashir didn't have time for extensive resequencing of Kira's utereus when transporting Keiko's fetus in-extremis. This leads me to believe that human-Bajoran hybrids are possible without medical intervention. Now whether that leads to a healthy infant without medical aid, that remains to be seen (and that's where the Doctor will step in).

In the case of interspecies coupling, B'Elanna Torres was able to get pregnant with Tom's child even if she was half Klingon. And let's not forget Miral was able to conceive with B'Elanna's father with no known medical intervention.
 
I can buy that Kira was able to surrogate for Keiko, especially under medical care that probably amounted to basically shutting down Kira's immune system in toto.

But the result of a human/Bajoran coupling outside of such severe medical intervention would trigger an immune response. The combination of two alien sets of genes would almost definitely produce nothing viable, and perhaps something the body would recognize as an intruder. It would be a mess, a tumor, an infection.
 
I can buy that Kira was able to surrogate for Keiko, especially under medical care that probably amounted to basically shutting down Kira's immune system in toto.

But the result of a human/Bajoran coupling outside of such severe medical intervention would trigger an immune response. The combination of two alien sets of genes would almost definitely produce nothing viable, and perhaps something the body would recognize as an intruder. It would be a mess, a tumor, an infection.

Hmm. Then perhaps the drama of the coupling could be the Bajoran female either having a miscarriage and the couple wrestling with the issue of trying to conceive again to have a baby?

NerysGhemor - Granted Dukat cares about lineage and whatnot, but he already has a wife and seven children. I can't see what having a half-Bajoran heir would grant him other than ostracization from general Cardassian society and demotion/disownment from his military superiors/family.

That's why I'm under the impression that like Mika's child, Ziyal was accidentally conceived. I mean in Mika's case, he confessed to weakness in bedding and conceiving with her. Now what would he stand to gain by impregnating Mika? Why go through all the trouble of ovarian resequencing and whatnot? I imagine such treatments are tough to keep under wraps and require specialized medical care that would attract notice. So the fact that Dukat conceiving with Mika accidentally would definitely point to conception between Cardassians and Bajorans is likely.
 
NerysGhemor - Granted Dukat cares about lineage and whatnot, but he already has a wife and seven children. I can't see what having a half-Bajoran heir would grant him other than ostracization from general Cardassian society and demotion/disownment from his military superiors/family.

I think there was more to Dukat's delusion than just the lineage aspect. I think that it also tied into his delusions of a Bajor under his rule that loved him. It's hard to explain it exactly, but the creation and upbringing of Ziyal was his way to unite himself to Bajor--but in his image--and gain (what he expected to be) unconditional love. I think once you bring that element into it as well, that explains why he would take such enormous risks in conceiving and raising Ziyal.

Remember, too--even after his initial "indiscretion," he had the chance to put an end to it all when he found Ziyal on Dozaria. He could have shot her, and Cardassian society might well even have accepted it. That would've spared him all the consequences to his career that you outlined. Yet he didn't do it, and he actually WAS demoted and ostracized. He had a choice not to go through with that, yet he did.

That tells me the delusion he has is even greater than one of lineage, and that's why I think that yes, he WOULD have gone to such great lengths even early on to ensure Ziyal's successful birth.

That's why I'm under the impression that like Mika's child, Ziyal was accidentally conceived. I mean in Mika's case, he confessed to weakness in bedding and conceiving with her. Now what would he stand to gain by impregnating Mika? Why go through all the trouble of ovarian resequencing and whatnot? I imagine such treatments are tough to keep under wraps and require specialized medical care that would attract notice. So the fact that Dukat conceiving with Mika accidentally would definitely point to conception between Cardassians and Bajorans is likely.

Just like with Naprem, it was indeed his weakness that got him into the situation.

But again, just like with Ziyal, he saw a way to exploit the situation. He exploited Ziyal for his own personal gain, but with Mika, I think he exploited the child both for personal reasons AND because he saw a way to weave the child into the lore of the cult he was creating. There's no telling if he had even MORE mythology wrapped around the birth of that child than what we heard.

And of course we're dealing with an even less sane, stable individual the second time around than the first, so I think that yes, there was a certain degree of irrationality involved in his decision to carry forward with the birth and all of the treatments that would entail (and the risk of exposure).
 
I'd say this thread has evolved, for better or worse, from a question of whether it's possible for a human and a Bajoran to naturally conceive a baby (which I feel is possible, but requires a lot of post-conception medical care for pre-natal conditions, owing to the discrepancies of the two species' gestation times and physiology) to whether Dukat needed to provide his Bajoran mistresses with specialized medical care in order to carry their babies to term.

There's no question that Dukat was delusional about Bajoran/Cardassian relations. And his hybrid children (Ziyal and Mika's infant) were woven rather intricately into his delusions.

One question, NerysGhemor, if Dukat went through all that trouble to ensure Mika carried the baby to term, why did he try to kill her to hide the evidence? It would appear Dukat didn't know that the baby was his until that conversation in the airlock or maybe a little bit beforehand. I'll grant his instability probably prompted the attempted murder of Mika as a course of action.
 
I'd say that's what it was--he didn't trust Mika not to tell the real story of what happened.

I would not be surprised if Dukat was planning both to save the child AND murder the mother. By seeing to Mika's treatments, not only does he save the child, but he could later "reveal" the treatments (with Mika dead) to provide "evidence" that he was trying to keep the mother alive, so how could HE--her savior--be her killer? (Such a pregnancy would undoubtedly incur a risk to the mother as well as the child.)

In the end it boils down to Dukat being warped and irrational.

I wish I could PM this, but I've worked with something similar (albeit quite reversed) in some of my fanfic...looked at a delusion that could lead to this sort of behavior. Check out "Exits in the Haze" to see what I mean.

As to your original question--as far as I am concerned just about ANY inter-species conception should require some sort of medical intervention in order for it to be believable. I think in the scenario you outlined, when you do research for it, you should look at the issues that women face IRL for issues such as rhesus incompatibility, as well as other medical reasons a woman might not be able to carry a child to term (or, conversely, when a child is carried too long, which is also a medical problem). Those could probably give you some good fuel for writing. :)
 
As to your original question--as far as I am concerned just about ANY inter-species conception should require some sort of medical intervention in order for it to be believable. I think in the scenario you outlined, when you do research for it, you should look at the issues that women face IRL for issues such as rhesus incompatibility, as well as other medical reasons a woman might not be able to carry a child to term (or, conversely, when a child is carried too long, which is also a medical problem). Those could probably give you some good fuel for writing.

Thanks Nerys Ghemor, that's what I was looking for. I have a great place to start, too, my two cousins are the parents of an older mother (my aunt was over 35 before they were born) and she had double the medical appointments a younger woman needed to ensure the health of her babies.

I figured that Tal Celes and her human lover talk to the Doctor about having a baby and all that it entails and the Doctor provides inputs on this. I figured that the shorter gestation period of a Bajoran as compared to a human would be.

How does this scenario sound: Tal Celes goes to the Doctor for her regular physical when the Doctor reveals that she's pregnant. I've thought so far that the two of them (Tal and Henry (the male human Starfleet officer she's been with for nearly seven months in my storyline)) can conceive, but the baby requires post-conception care more than let's say Tom and B'Elanna's child because B'Elanna was partially human. One other possible drama bit is whether Tal want's to keep the baby or not. She and Henry have a good relationship, and have talked of children, but only a little, she's not sure how Henry's gonna react to being a father, but she doesn't want to kill the baby (the fetus will die without some hormone treatments within two weeks). What do you think?

In the real-life animal kingdom it is possible for different species to interbreed, such as horses and donkeys, dogs and wolves, etc. without significant medical intervention/engineering. I figure since the Preservers had humanoid genetic material be so widespread, humanoids are more or less capable of conceiving with one another. Now whether that leads to healthy offspring or not, that's a different story and another possible direction for a source of drama.
 
Last edited:
^Fwiw, dogs and wolves are the same species. Dogs are domesticated wolves. ;)

Bajorans: domesticated Cardassians? Or the other way around? :p
 
If there haven't been any complications that you're aware of, just make some up (if you want them). Since there are so many different kinds of complications with human pregnancies, every interspecies breeding has to have its own share of problems, probably more.
 
If there haven't been any complications that you're aware of, just make some up (if you want them). Since there are so many different kinds of complications with human pregnancies, every interspecies breeding has to have its own share of problems, probably more.

Probably gonna go with a few for dramatic effect. I've decided that conception will be possible but the baby must be monitored more than a standard human or Bajoran fetus because the risk of premature birth is likely with a Bajoran/human hybrid, also possible pre-natal heart defects are likely because of how the Bajoran heart is mirrored as opposed to the human heart.

BTW love your avatar. Leonidas as a Starfleet Captain - Hilarious. Now Leena Heady should play a First Officer. That'd be a hilarious act.

Well, Cardassians are a lot like timber Wolves...

Minus their cold tolerances. From the Star Trek Encyclopedia: "Cardassians dislike cold temperatures..."
 
For what it's worth, I've always thought that Bajoran women are hot! From Ro to Kira, maybe something about the nose?
 
For what it's worth, I've always thought that Bajoran women are hot! From Ro to Kira, maybe something about the nose?

Same with Tal Celes. Kira Meru was also fairly cute in a dignified older woman sort of way.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top