Yep. I most certainly do.Does no one else have a copy of this CD?
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I love the audio effects from the series. The music, the sound effects, everything came together and it absorbs me into the episode. That aside, does anyone else think it's absolutely awesome that in the Cage clip, Spock uses that viewer like an iPod touch and simply waves his arm in a gesture to get it to change? I love that!
J.
You are speaking of his initial report on the bridge about the Talos Star Group.
Yes, I always found that interesting. I always wondered what that was about; maybe there was an electric eye thingy going on or maybe someone else controlled the slideshow for him.
There's a site somewhere which presents some unused shots for "The Cage". One of them is a wider angle of the sequence with Spock waving his finger to change the "slide". He's actually motioning to a seated crewmember, the silent brunette with the pulled back ponytail we later see in the "printout" sequence. While not absolute proof, it's more likely she has supposedly activated a control to change the image when Spock gestured her to do so.
Sincerely,
Bill
Yes, you are right about that. The K7 site has the wide angle:
http://spacestationk7.autom8on.net/guardian/GAlternate.htm
Scroll the film strip down on the right side, click on the little picture, then click on the image in the Guardian.
I also have the clip of Spock pointing to her to change the image on the monitor (not shown on that site).
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I once fell asleep listening to TOS background effects and ambient noise. Put it in my bedroom CD deck and slid off to la-la land listening to chirping computers.
I think I am a purist, but am undecided where I rank in the TOS hierarchy of frequent long time posters.
It doesn't require any "purism," just a common-sense understanding of the difference between a completed work and the excess trimmed off in its making. Knowing that deleted scenes don't count isn't being a purist, it's just not being ignorant.
I love the TOS bridge noises, with all their weedles and deedles and pu-wingawingawings and blaDOO-EEOO-eep-eep-eeps... but it was a bit bizarre when they suddenly reappeared in the TMP Director's Cut after I'd got used to all the new sound effects!
Indeed. It's a good thing that I'm a canon purist, then: I can enjoy a more futuristic TOS than those people who believe in backstage material and cutting room rejects.That's SO not nearly as cool!
Timo Saloniemi
Timo,
You have an illusion and I have reality. May you find your way as pleasant!
Seriously, though, Star Trek is art, and like any piece of art it is open to interpretation. I chose to interpret it based on the context upon which it was created and the "evidence" (e.g., scripts, film trims, etc.) left behind by the production crew. Right or wrong? Your mileage may vary.
Bear in mind, though, that many episodes of Star Trek were trimmed strictly/only to run in the allotted time. A lot of deleted footage likely would have been included in the final broadcast versions if Trek had been allowed to run longer than ca. 50 minutes. For example, I wonder what The Cage would have looked like cut into a 1.5 - 2 hour movie (assuming that Roddenberry could have gotten Hunter to agree to additional filming)? I'm sure that footage that now only exists in the film clip archives would have been utilized in it.
^^Some deleted footage may have been, but there's no logic in assuming that all of it would be, especially something as extraneous to the story as a shot of a no-dialogue crewwoman hitting a button. Any editor who throws every last bit of random stuff into the cut won't last a week in the editing business.
Besides, no such longer version exists or ever will, so it can't be used as evidentiary support of anything.
Besides, no such longer version exists or ever will, so it can't be used as evidentiary support of anything.
With all due respect, I never said all of the deleted footage would be used. And I also never said that every last bit of random stuff would/should be thrown in. I also find your use of the word "extraneous" to be subjective, especially since I specifically stated that Star Trek should be interpreted. Frankly, what is "extraneous" to you may not be extraneous to someone else.
All that being said, I've had conversations with some of the behind-the-scenes folks of TOS who've told me that Roddenberry would have loved to have re-edited some of the episodes to insert additional footage. For example, he was particularly unhappy with the editing of The Cage.
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The point is that just because some footage might hypothetically have been added in some hypothetical longer edition, that doesn't prove that that particular film clip would have been part of that footage, so it doesn't meaningfully address the question of whether Spock was waving at an electric eye or pointing to some menial crewwoman.
Which was also available on CD, as the bonus disc of the re-release of ST:TMP's soundtrack (extended) for TMP's 20th Anniversary. Columbia/Legacy, 1978.
You're misstating what I said to support this logic. I never used the argument that some footage might have been hypothetically added to some hypothetically longer edition to prove that Spock did or did not point to a menial crewwoman. Here is what I originally said:
"Seriously, though, Star Trek is art, and like any piece of art it is open to interpretation. I chose to interpret it based on the context upon which it was created and the "evidence" (e.g., scripts, film trims, etc.) left behind by the production crew. Right or wrong? Your mileage may vary.
Bear in mind, though, that many episodes of Star Trek were trimmed strictly/only to run in the allotted time. A lot of deleted footage likely would have been included in the final broadcast versions if Trek had been allowed to run longer than ca. 50 minutes. For example, I wonder what The Cage would have looked like cut into a 1.5 - 2 hour movie (assuming that Roddenberry could have gotten Hunter to agree to additional filming)? I'm sure that footage that now only exists in the film clip archives would have been utilized in it. "
Note that I used separate paragraphs for separate ideas.
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