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Astronauts and Mental Health (Spoilers)

Endgame

Lieutenant Commander
Red Shirt
Greetings,
I read Unspoken Truth by Margaret Wander Bonanno (2010) recently. Even as late as Richard Lazarus' Patterns of Adjustment (3rd ed., 1976) astronauts were the paragons of human beings. Finally, one has a need for mental health services (surprisingly given by a society's elders). Then it proves to be sham! Surely, mental health problems with a recovery perspective may be allowable for Star Trek. Am I too politically correct or something? Endgame. PS: I really like this author's books anyway.
 
Greetings,
I read Unspoken Truth by Margaret Wander Bonanno (2010) recently. Even as late as Richard Lazarus' Patterns of Adjustment (3rd ed., 1976) astronauts were the paragons of human beings. Finally, one has a need for mental health services (surprisingly given by a society's elders). Then it proves to be sham! Surely, mental health problems with a recovery perspective may be allowable for Star Trek. Am I too politically correct or something? Endgame. PS: I really like this author's books anyway.

I've just read "Unspoken Truth" - and loved it - but not quite sure what your rant is about. All mental health problems should have a recovery perspective, whether it be the 20th, 21st or 23rd century - and the novel seems to support that. What was the sham? We see Spock retrieving his faculties and we see Saavik regaining her equilibrium. Both through the support of family, tradition, work, technology, and guidance of the elders and leaders in society. An ebb and flow for each individual would be normal. There's a reason why they have counselors on the bridge in TNG.
 
Greetings,
Thank you for the response. The rant was that the mental illness in question was later revealed to be feigned. It is true that throughout the ST mythos all kinds of people and aliens experience many mind wrenching situations and recover, but it seems that there is something of an idea that mental illness except for rare exceptions does not exist in the world where most problems are solved. It is true that starship captains etc. have amazing amounts of power and therefore their minds must be watched most carefully by counsellors and perhaps by AIs too. It is also true that revising the DSM IV - TR to 23rd Century standards (and Starfleet Medical standards) may be something that writers do not wish to do -- but at the time of the formation of the Star Trek mythos astronauts were among the elite examples of people who were the standard for everyone else. The idea that a starship captain could suffer a real mental illness and still preserve the institution with the recovery and reinstatement of the captain would be a nice development. There is a certain ambivalence about whether there be poverty, energy shortages, economic problems, and/or mental illness (or even other illnesses and stigmas) in the Federation.

The standard issues for handicapped people (according to a recent book by Michael Prince) are the three Rs: Recognition, Representation, and Redistribution. Where there is a desire for infinite diversity in infinite combinations there shall be opportunities for many person-environment combinations with assistive technologies. Star Trek has not been blind to these areas (no pun intended). I am just not so sure that the stigma around mental illness (and other stigmas such as racism) have not been prematurely dismissed by the rosy scenario of the hoped for future.

It is true that I have not read too extensively of the Star Trek universe and there may be many issues around the eugenics wars and their aftermath which I am unaware of. And, I am aware that there is a certain handicap to using 21st Century English to explicate a perceived 23rd Century society, but, the idea that there could be beneficial illnesses (as suggested by ancient Greeks - erotic, prophetic, dionysian, and poetic madnesses at least -- Is this in Bertrand Russell's History of Philosophy?), which nevertheless need to be subject to a graceful transition, could enliven ship drama. I suppose this is brought out in some the the TNG novels.

A syndrome is a collection of symptoms around a common theme; word association does a cluster of associations around a common theme often; naming the demon of demonic possession amounts to a cluster of associations around a common theme; complexes and introjections by day = demons by night according to June Singer's formula. Signs, symptoms, & correlates. More semiotics in Star Trek could make it more interesting -- again, perhaps I have not read far enough.

The particular book in question Unspoken Truth did have a medical vulnerability attacked by a foreign foe. The mystery was solved through use of scientific method. Perhaps scientific progress is too facile in the ST mythos.

Well, I guess all told, one cannot rant forever. Saavik did suffer much and might well have been a feral child and perhaps did not totally recover; but there is the suspicion that more recovery than may be attributed to nature or nurture has ocurred. And, nature and nurture in the 23rd Century may well be more auspicious.

llop
Endgame, :-)
 
The rant was that the mental illness in question was later revealed to be feigned.

Despite that bit, though, various characters insisted upon Saavik going on leave, and then reinforced the importance of starting new and challenging work projects, all as a part of her recovery from the strains of Genesis. So it was a very positive approach to mental wellbeing. Saavik's endless days in the desert also seemingly had real, recuperative repercussions as well as being crucial to a successful conclusion to her new mission.

The idea that a starship captain could suffer a real mental illness and still preserve the institution with the recovery and reinstatement of the captain would be a nice development.

Spock in ST IV?
 
The four flight officers who went into exile on Axion in Destiny all suffer from various degrees of depressive thinking and outright depression (except maybe Fletcher), ending in suicide, the utter extreme of depression.

Hernandez' internal dialogue in Mere Mortals is an prime example of this. The change of tone in her dialogue after the her transformation in the middle of the book shows not only the change in her physical character but her mental character on many levels.

I have a book outlining styles of depressive thinking and Mere Mortals covers nearly every category listed.
 
I thought ST IV was search for Spock but I see that it was The Voyage Home. This is a DVD that I have seen many times. Spock's comment near the end of "Tell mother I feel fine" or some such thing did seem much like a recovery.

I just finished "Triangle" yesterday evening (this evening) and am not so sure that it is as bad as some readers may have suggested.

I shall have to look at some of those later titles for evidence that astronauts are real people too. Some may actually be psychiatric casualties. The idea of a personal fable (it can't happen to me) such as teenage girls believing they cannot get pregnant or starship captains believing they can't lose it, are, after all, personal fables. Military interests may be interested in promoting soldiers personal fables, thus, promoting morale. Vulcan statistics do not amount to "You have a fifty percent chance of dying," with that happening enough times to defy probability. Plausibility structures -- both in books and in our societies, must have some verisimiltude.

Maybe I shall see TSA later today in the afternoon. I wonder how science can incorporate 'magic' and the 'supernatural'. Naturalism, nice as it is, seems a bit thin even for a Horatio. First foundation, Second foundation, and what about a Third foundation or even a Fourth?

If Kuhn's paradigm shifts amount to a metatheory for science, can metatheories also experience paradigm shifts? I need to read more Michio Kaku or whatever his name is.
llap (I think I got it right this time) Endgame, :-)
 
I shall have to look at some of those later titles for evidence that astronauts are real people too. Some may actually be psychiatric casualties. The idea of a personal fable (it can't happen to me) such as teenage girls believing they cannot get pregnant or starship captains believing they can't lose it, are, after all, personal fables.

Peter David's "Once Burned" is entirely about a starship captain having a psychotic break after a crippling failure. I particularly remember a moment where one character, thinking about the situation, quotes a page of James Kirk's autobiography, where Kirk talks about seeing what happened to Captains like Ronald Tracey and Matt Decker, and how he'd try to tell himself that that wouldn't happen to him, that he could've held on to his wits if he'd faced the same situations that they did, but he knew it was a lie, and the only thing that was protecting him from becoming another mad captain was that he was lucky enough to not be the guy who got his ship eaten by a giant space monster who someone else needed to save. "There, but for the grace of God, go I," was his final word on the matter.
 
Greetings,
I lost the last post that I was going to put on the BBS because I typed in the Quick Reply then selected "Post a Reply" and my message disappeared and I had to log in again. Oh well, I guess I just have to get used to using websites. I wrote quite a bit and I shall try to remember it in this WordPad file which shall be pasted into the message I shall post.

Thanks for the suggestions for reading of novels. I shall have to read The Captain's Table sometime soon. The idea of a personal fable (it can't happen to me) is very pervasive in our culture. It is about doing a failure (guilt) and being a failure (shame) and also relates to honor (which is a theme in the ST universe and you may also see Alexander Welsh's What Is Honor?). Failure is about stigma and Erving Goffman's deeply emotional book Stigma: The Management of Spoiled Identity is probably the opposite of the elite spaceman stereotype. I did once read a somewhat devotional book about being "at peace with failure." In the ST universe we have the "Kobayashi Maru" phenomenon.

Stigma is very personal but it can be very political too. Do we wish to apply political science fiction ideas to the ST universe? Counter-factual thought experiments (such as described by Tetlock & Belkin I think) and putting concepts under stress (such as described by Swartz in a metaphysics text I think) can lead to the design of possible worlds (dystopias or utopias). The dystopias might best be avoided in practice and the utopias may involve worship of ideals which may not be good either. Compare Isaiah Berlin's essay about ideals in The New York Review of Books from around 1988.
Still recovery from failure ought to be possible. Engineering recovery in the science fiction universe towards cognitive, emotional, and moral competence could be a good thing. Do people sometimes read 'escape fiction' as a way of dealing with failure towards recovery?

Politics Among Nations by Morgenthau is the classic book about international security issues. Yet Foucault's discussion of spatio-temporal discourse spaces where individuals are shaped and populations are shaped is also about human (or alien) security. Unspoken Truth does discuss security intelligence too. Security is connected with recovery. Perhaps courage and morale too.

In the Stargate multiverse there is a symbol for the earthgate: two converging lines with a circle at the top. Perhaps one line is psychotechnology with the management of persons and the other line is politechnology with the management of populations. The circle at the top symbolizes the pan-opticon with everyone subject to surveillance technology. Dreaming of possible multiverses where the dystopias may be avoided or escaped, much like in the series of books starting with The Traveler by Twelve Hawks, can be very subversive but it can also preserve freedom in dangerous times.

The "Kobayashi Maru" phenomenon can call values into question and can be very subversive. It can also be used in other ways too. I notice that the October 2010 editorial in ANALOG covers a bit about the Prime Directive and colonization of planets. Does the Biblical fourfold command "Be fruitful (genetically diverse), Multiply (numerically diverse), Replenish (fill to carrying capacity), and Subdue (not lording it over the creation but with dominion, perhaps meek and lowly dominion) the earth" apply to space exploration too. Right use of knowledge (wisdom) and right use of power (meekness) as discussed by Warren Wiersbe may not just be preaching of an ancient religious sect from the 20th Century, but, relevant in the 23rd Century too.
Failure and recovery, design of culture and colonization -- both of these relate to the science of "what if" and the ST multiverse can assist and support a healthy futurology. The difficult part is to help needy widows and orphans and remain unspotted by the world (viz. not be corrupted or co-opted by compromises and distractions).

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT]Sorry if Endgame is a little preachy today. It is Sunday after all and I just read the book of Ecclesiastes with that list of books I should also read soon with time for each of 28 different types of conduct ... I shall have to read the novel End Game sometime soon too. llap, Endgame, :-)
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Just read the Janus Gate trilogy. Themes of possible worlds, mental health, and failures & successes were continually presented throughout. I wonder if there are ST novels that discuss Intelligence, surveillance, socialization, and, freedom such as the Four Freedoms.

Rebellion and revolution are still viable topics for political science fiction. I wonder if there are any Marxist revolutionaries in the ST multiverse. Or, do revolutionaries call attention to other alterities [or other othernesses]?

It is important to the ST mythos that freedom from want has been achieved even if the other three freedoms might remain in question. The Federation controlled space is safe and secure -- it is only space exploration beyond that is insecure. Would this indicate that only post-materialist revolutions would be possible?

Is there a place for Green Politics somewhere in with the Prime Directive? "Balance of Power" addresses the 'intervention dilemma'. Is Section 31 about some kind of preservation of freedoms or of a corrupting series of endless interventions (or both)?

Must read more ST books!
Endgame, :-)
 
For securitization and governmentality I guess I could read "Security, Risk and the Biometric State" by Benjamin Muller. It is a bit expensive to buy. Would there be a mobility regime for the ST universe? Free trade means free movement of the factors of production; but, is free trade one of those ideals that when carried too far causes all kinds of problems with minority freedoms? Can "Gatacca" or whatever the movie was called be applied to ST? What were the results of the victors in the Eugenics Wars? Was there a new Charter of Biometric Rights? Were the ideas of segregation and inclusion updated for galaxy-wide conditions where genetic segregation could sometimes be acceptable for broadly medical-cultural reasons? llap with idic, Endgame, :-)
 
Nearby used bookstore closing permanently soon. Lots of ST books cheap. Already bought a bunch. Look forward to reading in the future. Still haven't got "The Captain's Table" though (those books sold before I got there). Happy ST fan. Also went to local SF bookstore and got "Preternatural" by MWB. Hope it is a good read too. Endgame, :-)
 
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