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Astrobiology: Federation Worlds vs. Klingon Worlds

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There seems to be a belief that entire planets are occupied by one single dominant species, or a few dominant species, all native to that planet, that maintain their own right to completely occupy their own planet. For example, Earth belongs to Humans, Kling to Klingons, Romulus to Romulans, Cardassia for Cardassians, etc.

But this may be true for only a relatively small number of core worlds belonging to any particular space power. Most other worlds, I think, would have a mixed population, considering that colonist and conqueror alike would repeatedly attempt to establish and maintain a presence on every inhabitable world possible, peacefully or otherwise.

Klingons, I can imagine, would conquer and colonize every inhabitable world they could find, whether already occupied by other races or not. They would attempt to assert their dominance and maintain that dominance with a local presence and otherworldly threat that would grow over time.

Humans and even the Federation might have done something similar, albeit more peacefully, wherever possible, especially in the early space-faring years. Once the Federation was more established with its Prime Directives and General Orders, however, it seems that Humans and other UFP members began to grant a planet’s indigenous population the right to completely occupy their own planet.

So, it seems likely that the astrobiology of Klingon worlds would differ greatly from their original state and that of most Federation worlds discovered outside the influence of other major powers. Whereas Klingon worlds would probably have a strong Klingon presence everywhere, both within the Klingon Empire and in territories primarily maintained by other powers, Federation worlds would seem to favor a more culturally unique variety of worlds that maintain their own uniqueness to a higher degree.

It seems likely to me that there must be numerous worlds with representative populations from many of the major powers, all on the same world.

This would make defining borders in space rather incomplete since major powers would have an interest in protecting their populations on many worlds even deep within the claimed territories of other major powers. Borders may exist, but bubbles and pockets of every color would appear all mixed up throughout a map like a shook up soda pop.

It seems inevitable that the astrobiology, at least of intelligent space-faring species, would inevitably become intertwined to such an extent that one’s physical species would no longer identify one’s race. A Human could be just as much Klingon as a Klingon and a Klingon could be just as much Human as a Human, at least socially and politically, if not biologically.
 
I don't see the Klingons allowing any outside power to maintain bubbles within the big Klingon one. If there are foreigners inside the outer borders of the Empire, they play by the rules of the Empire: whenever it comes to disputes, Klingon law applies, formally speaking.

Informally, the Klingons might not bother to enforce their own rules inside that Orion settlement on their homeworld much. Until a dispute arose, at which point the Orions would benefit nothing from crying "Orion law!" or "Jurisdiction!" before they are slain as is formally proper.

Also, I'd expect any foreigners within the Empire to be like the Orion colonies: functional pieces, of benefit to the Empire, or else expunged. Most non-Klingon subjects of the Emperor ('s empty throne) would be subjugated natives, rather than people who might have moved in from the outside.

Replace "Klingon" above with culture of your choice. Probably including the UFP as well, since we never really learn otherwise...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I don't see the Klingons allowing any outside power to maintain bubbles within the big Klingon one. If there are foreigners inside the outer borders of the Empire, they play by the rules of the Empire: whenever it comes to disputes, Klingon law applies, formally speaking.

I suppose the same would apply to any Klingons that might have chosen to leave their Empire to live within the borders of another power that might permit them entrance.
 
In the TOS and TOS Movie Eras I can see the Federation maintaining a close eye on any Klingon communities living within Federation space and even using espionage to infiltrate them and report on the behaviors of the refugees or expatriates. By the TNG Era the Federation and Empire are at peace and treaty allies so there are probably few if any restrictions on Klingons living inside the Federation save for the brief period when the Empire attacked Cardassia, withdrew from the Khitomer Accords and hostilities resumed.
 
I could see that.

The competition between Federation and Klingon on the planet Neural, from TOS, supports the idea that both powers competed fiercely for dominance on any given world where dominance was questioned.

Neither power showed a yielding attitude toward the other, each regarding the other a threat to everyone else.

Also, the attack of the Gorn at Cestus III lends support to the idea that other powers also regarded the colonization of a planet as an all or nothing right, rather than entertaining the idea that a huge planet could be shared. Some say that the Gorn must have ceded Cestus III to the Federation, but they likely say that because they also beleive the idea that a planet must be an all or nothing possession.

On the other hand, we do see some examples of multicultural civilizations, especially among so-called neutral worlds and some Federation worlds, even Earth in the vicinity of Star Fleet Academy at least.
 
The Archanis sector was also claimed by both the Federation and the Klingons with no thought given towards sharing the main planet there as a measure to generate more peaceful relations. Gowron reinstated the ancient claim of his Empire to the Archanis sector during the Cardassian invasion and Changeling crisis leading up to the Dominion War, further inflaming deteriorating relations between the Empire and UFP.
 
So, all these canon references lend support to the idea that space would be divided up neatly like frontline trenches, while governments would claim planets in their entirety for one side or the other.

That is, unless, these canon references portrayed not the norm, but rather the exception to the rule.

The interesting thing about fictitious canon is that writers often portray the exception rather than the rule. It makes their stories more noteworthy, more interesting, more consequential. If what they told were the everyday norm, they might fear that their stories would be boring to most.

So, I suggest, these canon references could very well point to the idea that the exact opposite conclusion was the norm.

Nevertheless, it seems that Klingon policy would lean heavily toward directly engaging the astrobiology of any world with the aim of squeezing it into a Klingon mold where the surviving weak become servants and the strong are granted second-class citizenry.

The Federation, on the other hand, at least officially, seems to lean toward a policy of allowing the astrobiology of any world (except those already influenced by competitors) to develop on its own in hope that its people will one day appreciate the Federation’s unseen protection and wish to join once first-contact has been established.

Despite these important differences, both powers eventually directly influence the astrobiology of every world they can.
 
I actually wonder how Sheliak territory works. We know it’s pretty significant, since they were clearly in it during “Ensigns of Command”, yet Worf refers to the actual Shelia system as being “quite far.” They wouldn’t really have any interest in colonizing M-class worlds, but what happens to M-class races in their space? Are they just ignored unless they become a threat? Wiped out like they threatened in the episode?
 
Really, the Federation being allies with the Klingon Empire in the 24th century is pure hypocrisy. They cling so tight to the Prime Directive that they let whole worlds die rather than interfere....yet they are buddy-buddy with an Empire that, according to Worf in DS9 incorporates planets by killing the local leaders and setting up Klingon governor.
 
...So where's the problem? Both feel strongly about imposing of rules.

It also seems natural for a star empire to go overboard with rules, rather than underboard. There's little point not to claim all the empty space between valuable possessions. No good reason not to declare your own species head and shoulders above all others within the empire, either. Or to evict alien scum, or place it on camps on ice planets or whatnot. The tiniest display of lenience/weakness would be exploited by the competition anyway.

The Feds probably just go to the other extreme: instead of being Draconian within some solidly fortified shell, they aggressively expand to the farthest reaches of space by making sweet deals with isolated faraway systems and cultures, and thus surround their competitors from all sides. Breaking that stranglehold calls for a war of aggression, and the UFP tends to win those (even if typically by cheating - but aggressive hoarding of allies and other contacts, aka exploration, directly helps with getting the cheat codes!).

Timo Saloniemi
 
Really, the Federation being allies with the Klingon Empire in the 24th century is pure hypocrisy. They cling so tight to the Prime Directive that they let whole worlds die rather than interfere....yet they are buddy-buddy with an Empire that, according to Worf in DS9 incorporates planets by killing the local leaders and setting up Klingon governor.

To me, the interesting thing was the Federation attitude toward the Klingons in the time around the Organian Peace Treaty, (TOS).

The Federation hated the Klingons not simply because they were the enemy of the Federation, but because—in the mind of the Federation—they were the enemy of everyone in the known galaxy and as yet unknown. The Klingons were the scourge of the galaxy. War to halt this scourge was inevitable. And it was always going to be all the Klingons’ own fault.

It was pure prejudice at its strongest.

But it blindly matched and maybe even outmatched the Klingons’ own prejudice!

So, I can see the hypocrisy in hating someone so much that it blinds you to how much alike you really are! I suppose, the Peace Treaty, though originally forced by the Orgainians, then later mutually agreed upon through the Khitomer Accords, opened the way for most peoples of both races to begin to see what they had in common.

If you can’t fight each other (Orgainian Peace Treaty) and you can’t interfere with the other’s internal affairs (Prime Directive), you may as well form an alliance that might help you win on other fronts.

It doesn’t mean you are really friends that love each other. It just means you know enough about the other to offer respect.

(It's no wonder the Romulans hate these guys.)
 
The Klingons engage in genocide, slavery, and cannibalism to such an extent that would make a Nazi, Viking, and a Terminus resident raise an eyebrow. Making peace with them was a necessity for the Federation and surrounding polities, because everyone saw what happens firsthand if you don't stay on their good side.
 
Really, the Federation being allies with the Klingon Empire in the 24th century is pure hypocrisy. They cling so tight to the Prime Directive that they let whole worlds die rather than interfere....yet they are buddy-buddy with an Empire that, according to Worf in DS9 incorporates planets by killing the local leaders and setting up Klingon governor.

I thought the Klingons weren't doing that kind of stuff while they were pals with the Federation, but with that whole situation with Cardassia and the Dominion, they started going back to the old ways of conquest, specifically targeting Cardassia. And withdrawing from the Khitomer Accords meant they didn't have to placate the Federation anymore.

Like Worf said in WOTW, "There are many Klingons who say we have been at peace too long, that the Empire must expand in order to survive. Fear of the Dominion has given my people an excuse to do what they were born to do. To fight and to conquer."

What you mentioned is from a bit later in the same episode, when Worf said, "If the Klingon Empire has reverted to the old practices, they will occupy the Cardassian homeworld, execute all government officials, and install an imperial overseer to put down any further resistance."

Kor
 
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Not to mention in the Mind’s Eye when the Klingon begrudgingly said that the Empire now “tolerates” uprisings. Though I guess it was because of a specific reason.
 
They certainly didn't with the Imperial subjects who were fleeing the Empire in "Judgment(ENT)" and even tried to have Jonathan Archer sentenced to life on Rura Penthe for the incident.
 
OTOH, in "Aquiel" we learn that Klingons were still raiding UFP assets with apparent impunity seven years before the episode! And Picard worries that if they made another one now, it would be a diplomatic incident that would endanger relations - that is, unless our heroes treated it with velvet gloves... The Empire may have made accommodations, but it hardly counts as "repenting" or "being born again".

Beyond that, whenever did Klingons take slaves? They put criminals to hard labor. They do enjoy eating bits of their enemies, although this happens to coincide with them starving nearly to death. Genocide we don't hear of, unless we count tribbles. Planeticide, yes - it's something that's always on the table when starships are involved in a fight. But even that one seemed to surprise our DSC heroes when the Klingon factions went for it.

On the other side of the coin, good and proper Kahlessian Klingons don't take hostages, an alien limitation that would not occur to a human. Although what Kor did at Organia is pretty much the functional equivalent of holding hostages. Then again, Riker is fine with fishing even if not with enslaving animals for food; perhaps Kor, too, considered it relevant to give his execution victims a, well, fighting chance? :klingon:

Timo Saloniemi
 
I actually wonder how Sheliak territory works. We know it’s pretty significant, since they were clearly in it during “Ensigns of Command”, yet Worf refers to the actual Shelia system as being “quite far.” They wouldn’t really have any interest in colonizing M-class worlds, but what happens to M-class races in their space? Are they just ignored unless they become a threat? Wiped out like they threatened in the episode?

Does the species name Sheliak have anything to do with the name of their homeworld or its star? And if so, is the name of the planet and/or star the Sheliak's own name or a name given by Humans?

The star Beta Lyrae is about 1,000 light years from Earth, and is famous because of the disc of gas around the two stars. It also has the proper name Sheliak. So the species name of Sheliak could be simillr to Rigelians or Denebians, being named by Humans after the Human name for their home star.

There is no star Tau Cynga - at least not such Human star name name at present. If that name is an error for Tau Cyngi, which is about 69 light years from Earth, Tau Cygna would be about 1,000 light years from the star Sheliak or Beta Lyrae, thus suggesting that the Sheliak may rule a sphere of space with a radius of at least 1,000.light years - except where their border may bend inward due to other space realms.

Such a sphere may contain hundreds of thousands or millions of stars.

Of course that size of the Sheliak realm depends on two different guesses about stellar idenfification both being correct. If one or both of those quesses is incorrect, the Sheliak realm could be much smaller or larger than 1,000 light years in radius.
 
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Deos the species name Sheliak have anything to do with the name of their homeworld or its star? And if so, is the name of the planet and/or star the Sheliak's own name or a name given by Humans?

The star Beta Lyrae is aobut 1,000 light years from Earth, and is famous because of the disc of gas around the two stars. It also has the proper name Sheliak. So the species name of Sheliak could be simillr to Rigelians or Denebians, being named by Humans after the Human name for their home star.

There is no star Tau Cynga - at least not such Human star name name at present. If that name is an error for Tau Cyngi, which is about 69 light years from Earth, Tau Cygna would be about 1,000 light years from the star Sheliak or Beta Lyrae, thus suggesting that the Sheliak may rule a sphere of space with a radius of at least 1,000.light years - except where their border may bend inward due to other space realms.

Such a sphere may contain hundreds of thousands or millions of stars.

Of course that size of the Sheliak realm depends on two different guesses about stellar idenfificitona both being correct. If one or both of those quesses is incorrect, the Sheliak realm could be much smaller or larger than 1,000 light years in radius.

Its kind of unclear. You’d think a species called the Sheliak would be from the actual star Sheliak, but they go out of their way to call it the “Shelia system.”

Interestingly enough, the Star Charts book doesn’t include Sheliak space, but it does include both the real Sheliak and Tau Cigna. If the Sheliak controlled both, their territory would have dwarved everyone else’s in the area.
 
Babylon 5 made it a point that the Centauri had absolutely nothing to do with the things humans associate with centaurs, such as certain stars - but that they themselves loved to misdirect, milking on their coincidental likeness to humans and the theoretical possibility of a joint past in myth if not in anything else.

In Trek, we have little reason to think the Orions are related to the constellation Orion in any fashion, or that the Rigelians hail from any of the several stars currently named Rigel by us. "Shelia" just goes one step further, making it explicit that there is no connection. (T'Pol and her human shipmates not recognizing the word "Rigel" in the ENT pilot also tells us something, but the jury is still out on what exactly...)

Timo Saloniemi
 
In fact the Rigelians in Trek described as being related to the Vulcans in physiology might not even be from the same star system containing Rigel VII and the port and transit/shipping world Rigel X, nor Rigel XII with its Federation mining operation.
 
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