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Ark II and Planet Earth/Genesis II

Hoshi_Mayweather

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Alright, I'm actually posing this question for someone else:

Both of these programs, from what I understand, are very similar...only one was geared for kids...and another geared for adults. (Although, today, both are seemingly both demographics can enjoy).

One had an underground transit system, while the other had a land rover...(Both had Trek-like elements..i.e. exploration, extending goodwill, etc..).

Which do you think would be able to succeed if remade today? (I know the question is a bit broad)...
 
Probably not, I don't think people go for the whole exploration/speculative thing any more. Guess we'll see how that Stargate Universe show does which seems to have a bit of that aspect to it.
 
One of them has been updated, and on the air for several years. Genesis II is the basis for Andromeda. They even kept the same name for the main character; Dylan Hunt. The key difference is that they've scraped the Earthbound setting in favor of an outer space setting. Other than that, the basic premise is still pretty much the same. Man from earlier era gets suspended in time, awakes eons later to find his "world" in chaos, and teams up with people to fight to bring order back to the world/galaxy/whatever.
 
Which is why I've thought Gene Roddenberry, for all his contributions to SciFi, was really a one-trick pony. Even his TNG: Encounter at Farpoint had many similarities with ST:TMP - at least in regards Riker and Troi.

So I think Ark II (Which, btw, I watched as a child) set in a post-global warming (if such an event were true) world would work well espeically for today's target audience.
 
I'd go for Ark II. After watching the box set when it came out last year, I could think of several storylines that would spawn even more. Sci Fi ranShowtime's Jeremiah last year, and I really enjoyed it. I'd expand Ark II's backstory- emulating Jeremiah, to include their never shown headquarters, who's in charge of it, their intelligence gathering, etc. Showing humanity engaged in rebuilding the world. And those more interested in rebuilding it to suit their interests, not nessesarily for the good of all.
 
Which is why I've thought Gene Roddenberry, for all his contributions to SciFi, was really a one-trick pony. Even his TNG: Encounter at Farpoint had many similarities with ST:TMP - at least in regards Riker and Troi.

That's hardly fair, since Roddenberry had nothing to do with the creation of Andromeda. It was Majel Roddenberry who decided, long after GR's death, to resurrect the Genesis II concept, and it was she in collaboration with Tribune Entertainment and Kevin Sorbo who decided to rework it into a space-based series (she was actually trying to develop a more faithful Earth-based version at the same time, but only the space-based one got off the ground, so to speak). She then hired DS9 alumnus Robert Hewitt Wolfe to develop the Andromeda concept based on a mix of the Genesis II premise, the sentient ship from Roddenberry's unsold pilot Starship, and quite a few original ideas and characters of Wolfe's own.

The TV pilots Gene Roddenberry conceived actually had a lot of variety. His first series was The Lieutenant, a drama set on a contemporary US Marine base. After the Trek pilot, he did a pilot called Police Story, a half-hour procedural drama. His original Assignment: Earth pilot was about an enhanced human agent battling evil time travellers trying to change history (presaging The Terminator and the Temporal Cold War on Enterprise). Post-Trek, his pilots included Genesis II, about rebuilding a post-apocalyptic world; The Questor Tapes, about an android trying to save humanity from itself; Spectre, about a team of supernatural investigators (presaging The X-Files); The Tribunes, a present-day series about a police division using modern technology and scientific methods to solve crimes (presaging CSI in some ways, perhaps); the Starship premise mentioned above; and Battleground Earth, which was the basis for Earth: Final Conflict but in which the aliens were initially more malevolent (presaging V; the concept was changed for E:FC to make it more distinct from V). A lot more than "one trick" there.

Yes, he did occasionally reuse ideas; Questor was similar to the episode version of "Assignment: Earth," and TNG recycled Questor into Data and Decker/Ilia into Riker/Troi. But every writer reuses old ideas from time to time. If you have an old idea that didn't make it but still has potential, it's pointless to let it go to waste if you can find a new opportunity for it. It's not unimaginative, just economical.
 
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Actually Andromeda was a redeaux of an older GR concept called "Starship", IIRC. I remember seeing a script for it in a Lincoln Enterprises when I was a kid. Some of the description included that the starship was self-aware and essentially a part of the crew. The illustration was the ring 'n pencil craft that later showed up as an earlier Enterprise in the rec room in ST:TMP.

Not sure why the name Dylan Hunt was recycled into Andromeda other than he was still "a man from the past". I'm sure it pissed Pax, Lyra-Ah, The Tyrannians, Alex Cord, and John Saxon off! ;-)

Other than Hunt being displaced in time, there really isn't much Genesis II in Andromeda.


OOPS... What Christopher said.. I guess I should read all the way through to the end before posting. LOL
 
Ark II still holds a fond place in my heart. It had so much potential-would it work today? Probably, if done right.
 
I was a big fan of Filmation shows back in the day, but of all their live-action shows, Ark II is the one that left the least impression on me. I'll probably Netflix the DVD set sometime, but for now I have hardly any memory of it.
 
Jean-Marie Hon, the Ark II, and the resemblance to Genesis II stayed in my mind. The rest, not so much.
 
I was a big fan of Filmation shows back in the day, but of all their live-action shows, Ark II is the one that left the least impression on me. I'll probably Netflix the DVD set sometime, but for now I have hardly any memory of it.

Of their live-action shows, I think Space Academy is most ripe for a revival/re-make/re-boot/whatever you want to call it. In fact, you could do it as a direct sequel by having members of the original cast who played students cast as instructors to a new generation of students at the Academy.
 
Of their live-action shows, I think Space Academy is most ripe for a revival/re-make/re-boot/whatever you want to call it. In fact, you could do it as a direct sequel by having members of the original cast who played students cast as instructors to a new generation of students at the Academy.

Well, not many of them are still in acting -- I think Brian Tochi's the main one who's still active.

But yeah, after I saw the DVDs of Space Academy and Jason of Star Command, my mind was filled with thoughts on how to do a reimagining of the series, something that combined them both and developed the universe and characters more fully.
 
Well, not many of them are still in acting -- I think Brian Tochi's the main one who's still active.

True. But, honestly, my first thought when I saw Ric Carrot in the DVD interviews was that Cadet Gentry had grown up to run the Academy.

But yeah, after I saw the DVDs of Space Academy and Jason of Star Command, my mind was filled with thoughts on how to do a reimagining of the series, something that combined them both and developed the universe and characters more fully.

Gonna have to go find myself a copy of Jason, methinks. I think you're right that there are some interesting possibilities there. (Tangent: it might even be possible to tie-in the Ark II series mythos to these - if I rememebr the dates correctly, Ark II could be a couple hundred years in the past of SA/JoSC

BTW, Christopher, if you're a SA fan you might be interested in these:

http://www.smallartworks.ca/PS/OtherKits/SeekerPage/PosterPage.html

Grabbed myself a set awhile back, and they are (IMO) very well done.
 
(Tangent: it might even be possible to tie-in the Ark II series mythos to these - if I rememebr the dates correctly, Ark II could be a couple hundred years in the past of SA/JoSC

It would have to be much more than that, I think. Ark II is in 2476. The opening narration of Space Academy says the Academy was "founded in the star year 3732." I often see the assumption that it takes place in 3732 -- which would be 1256 years in Ark II's future -- but that doesn't make sense. First off, we have no idea how long the Academy has been around at the time of the series; indeed, in "Star Legend" they find a thousand-year-old derelict that looks exactly like the Academy (so they could reuse the same sets), suggesting that the Academy may be a millennium old itself, putting the series in the 4700s by the "star year" calendar. For another thing, "star year" suggests a dating system created sometime in the future, after humanity had established an interstellar civilization. Star year 1 may be in the 22nd or 24th or 27th century for all we know. So instead of being 1723 years in our future, I suspect SA/JoSC actually take place at least four millennia in the future, maybe five.
 
(Tangent: it might even be possible to tie-in the Ark II series mythos to these - if I rememebr the dates correctly, Ark II could be a couple hundred years in the past of SA/JoSC

It would have to be much more than that, I think. Ark II is in 2476. The opening narration of Space Academy says the Academy was "founded in the star year 3732." I often see the assumption that it takes place in 3732 -- which would be 1256 years in Ark II's future -- but that doesn't make sense. First off, we have no idea how long the Academy has been around at the time of the series; indeed, in "Star Legend" they find a thousand-year-old derelict that looks exactly like the Academy (so they could reuse the same sets), suggesting that the Academy may be a millennium old itself, putting the series in the 4700s by the "star year" calendar. For another thing, "star year" suggests a dating system created sometime in the future, after humanity had established an interstellar civilization. Star year 1 may be in the 22nd or 24th or 27th century for all we know. So instead of being 1723 years in our future, I suspect SA/JoSC actually take place at least four millennia in the future, maybe five.

Or maybe not. :) Just a passing thought on my part in any case.
 
So much information! :lol:

I'll pass this along.

I'm sure there is something on wikipedia as well....

Tks for the comments...!
 
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