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Are We Taking Trek Too Seriously?

Danja

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https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/star-wars-generation-x/
For Lucas’ Boomer generation, the whole point of cinema was that it was ephemeral – a dream that evaporated when you “woke up,” i.e., left the darkened theater. Well before home video emerged in the late 1970s, movies were meant to be experienced in the moment and dreamed about later, not have their every detail pored over.

One of the reasons that Lucas modeled Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark after the Saturday afternoon matinee serials he loved as a kid was because they were disposable. You weren’t meant to scrutinize every detail for verisimilitude. They were thrown together cheaply, they were cheap to purchase admission to, and they provided cheap thrills. When they were over, you could relive the highlights with your friends, but if something didn’t hold together, you didn’t care. It was about the rush of speed and motion on screen. It was about feeling galvanized. You weren’t about to go home and complain about how the filmmaker didn’t “respect” your patronage by interpreting some detail in a way that you didn’t find acceptable. These kinds of movies were purely about having an experience.

I believe that what this article says about Star Wars can apply to Trek as well.

We've turned that which was intended to be ephemeral into sacred scripture. How much bandwidth have we spilled saying, "This could never happen in real life!"

How many arguments have we had over the placement and angle of nacelles?
 
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On the one hand, having amazing knowledge of the lore gives you a sense of pride, especially when you can point out mistakes by 'the professionals'. Its like that "You had one job..." meme

On the other hand, entitlement does get ugly, which is why fandoms need to check themselves. I've seen quite few get out of hand and have civil wars (like 'shipping' in animes). The thing to remember is, that we are all fans, and are here having a discussion about something we love.
 
https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/star-wars-generation-x/


I believe that what this article says about Star Wars can apply to Trek as well.

We've turned that which was intended to be ephemeral into sacred scripture. How much bandwidth have we spilled saying, "This could never happen in real life!"

How many arguments have we had over the placement and angle of nacelles?


I don't know, but if they started the rough draft with a notion of a love triangle, then remove it and keep the rest vague, apart from a kiss, then in the next movie they do the french kiss, then in the next have Leia reveal she knew Luke was her identical twin brother all that time, it does get a little bothersome... but it's proof the original saga had plot holes and continuity/canonical mistakes, thus defeating the claim that the new trilogy people made the occasional change that didn't line up. As egregious as some of those might be, not all were, and the few that could be can't handle a candle next to kissin' siblings that even Jerry Springer would be embarrassed by.

And back then there was no Memory Alpha detailing in ludicrous detail over it all as well. Most well-established franchises have these online dictionaries and encyclopedias, or even sold on CD decades ago, for easier research. So some basic information isn't as hard as it used to be like back in the days of those large card cabinets at libraries that took hours upon hours if not days or weeks to find out information directly or leading to the book(s) that might yield crucial information. The fact there's anything approaching ANY consistency in shows prior to the 1990s is a miracle in of itself. Seems silly not to make use of the obvious, though parallel universe exploration renders some of the encyclopedic elements moot. You just can't say it's in the same timeline as x and y incarnations as it doesn't begin to hold up or make the franchise look good.

It's neither one side nor the other. It's a balance to be tempered. Modern technology makes this much easier.

If nothing else, if Nicholas Meyer could sit through the entire franchise looking for plot ideas, looking up an enemy's introduction story plus a couple others to get a handle on things - TNG made the mistake of overlooking "The Enterprise Incident", which pretty much said Romulans were not chess players, and turned them into "it's always a game of chess with them". Of course, Spock may be bluffing, but Spock's insult to the Romulan Commander didn't yield anything afterward suggesting being taken aback. (Okay, with headcanon this could be because they were at the brink of war and NOT engaging in the cat-and-mouse game from "Balance of Terror", which hints at the chess idea. Either which way, both TOS episodes in of themselves don't show a consistency and TNG blended in the chess aspects before Picard spouted the exposition, so it was smooth enough.)

Eventually, franchises get so big and, as with any turnip, no corner is left unsqueezed. TNG/DS9/some VOY kept up hard-worked continuity. TNG movies, ENT, VOY, etc, felt like they stopped caring and did the next BIG thing in hopes audiences will remain in awe. Prequels run the risk of answering questions nobody really asked, combined with making a bigger mess of things - even if the actual story presented is otherwise robust, and it's unfair to leave that out of the equation too. which is also a double-edged sword since everyone loved the Borg Queen too...

But there's a positive edge to remakes: Shakespeare's plays are still made and even tweaked. Star Trek has. When's the last time you saw a remake of "Mister Ed", "Captain Nice", or "My Mother the Car"? Don't answer that if anyone actually tried to reboot those. Those nostalgic memories of "those are crap" need to remain intact. :razz::guffaw:

And there's the other itty bitty issue, when does the 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special become canonical? :devil:
 
You know what I learned just recently while doing research? If 'My Favorite Martian' - a pretty crap show - never aired, we would have never gotten I Dream of Genie or Bewitched, because both of those were examples of other networks trying to catch up with CBS and their surprise hit by making different versions of 'someone with powers living among normal humans'. Innovation, no matter how bad at first, can lead to great things eventually. Now thats become a fairly common trope in fiction.

On Topic: I don't mind 'soft' rewrites (changes made to canon within the canon- ie., "we got it wrong"), or silly 'sweep under the rug" stuff that doesn't really matter, like Luke's kiss. Its actually not changing canon, its just 'changing direction' with the storytelling. Sometimes plots aren't working and writers have change course. Thats fine. Wholesale rewriting the past completely, like what the Abrams movies did - just NO.

Obi-Wan: Luke, that chick you want to smash is your sister.
Luke: Noooooo!
Obi-Wan: and that dude you want to kill who tortured your sister is you dad...
Luke: Oh crap!
Obi-Wan: And you mom? She was your dad's babysitter when he was little.
Luke"............ GO DAD!"
Yup, SW is Jerry Springer in space.
 
But there's a positive edge to remakes: Shakespeare's plays are still made and even tweaked. Star Trek has. When's the last time you saw a remake of "Mister Ed", "Captain Nice", or "My Mother the Car"? Don't answer that if anyone actually tried to reboot those. Those nostalgic memories of "those are crap" need to remain intact. :razz::guffaw:

William Daniels starred in both Captain Nice and Knight Rider (which was a darker, 80's reworking of My Mother the Car). :guffaw:

And there's the other itty bitty issue, when does the 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special become canonical? :devil:

George Lucas has been trying to destroy all known copies of the Star Wars Christmas Special for over forty years! :guffaw:
 
Very likely, yes. Then I come onto here, see a Canon Thread, then I realize I'm not that bad.

I'm here because I'm enthusiastic about what's being put out. As soon as I'm not, I focus on what I do like, or I take my exit cue. It's one thing to be serious and excited, because it's actual enjoyment. It's another thing to be serious and bitter or serious and angry, because that's just wallowing. There are other things in life to wallow about.
 
George Lucas trying to make the Christmas Special not exist is a great example of the Streisand effect.

When will creatives learn that sometimes things can be SO BAD they're good? We love them for their terribleness! its just a strange quirk of the human species. We would never have gotten Sharknado ad-infinitum if not for that. LOL

And I personally think the final episode of Knightrider should have been Hasselhoff finding out that Kitt's personality was really taken from his mother, who's mind was transferred to a computer by the CIA/whatever. Cheesy? YES! A great homage to a classic cheesy show? Priceless.
 
725 METERS FIGHT ME, I'LL TAKE YOU ALL ON FOR PAGES AND PAGES!!!!

Star Trek is very silly. Human aliens with bumpy heads, sound in space, alien-human half-breeds and zero comprehension of movement in zero G. Think of it like that and all the "micellial network/magic blood/whatever WAAAAAAH!" stuff becomes even more ridiculous than it is.
 
I do think there is a tendency to focus on the social commentary aspect of Trek and it has started to take the fun out the franchise for me. However, when have fans not taken Trek seriously, from the Conventions to the Books to the merchandise? I guess when you say seriously, what does that really mean? It's a pretty active fanbase.
 
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