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Are intergalactic contacts even possible?

YellowSubmarine

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Except for a single episode in ToS and the traveller, I don't remember of any occurrences of intergalactic travel or communication in even in Star Trek, and in Star Trek you've got magic like subspace and warp drive. If we were to use means that fall within the physical limits as we currently know them, is it possible to communicate with another galaxy, even if the technology is stretched to its limits?

Save for the few small galaxies that orbit the Milky Way, the closest galaxy to us is Andromeda, and it's 2.5 million light-years away. Now, waiting 5 million years for a reply doesn't concern me that much, nobody is talking about two-way communication, but what about the signal strength?

Is it possible to construct a combo of a precise and powerful laser and a huge radio telescope so that two civilisations that know about each other's existence can send messages that will be received at such distance? Now, that's easy, what if they don't know about each other? The sending party doesn't know where to send it, and the laser encompasses the whole galaxy (can we get lasers that precise?), and the receiving party listens for everything that comes from every nearby galaxy. How powerful would the laser have to be so it can be distinguished from the other radio noise coming from the sender, and without the ability on the part of the receiver to isolate any specific part of the sending galaxy? Can it be done with an acceptable amount of power?

For some reason I'm feeling concerned that we could be the only advanced civilization in our galaxy (only 500 million estimated planets in the habitable zone...), plus some people are warning against active SETI, and active SETI towards another galaxy would be more or less completely harmless, because you would get no reply let alone visitors. ;) (Though it would be wrong to call it “active SETI”, but at least we could get famous somewhere.)
 
I think it's impossible to establish contact with our means today even if we knew that there was someone there to contact for a very simple reason.. the signal (be it a laser, radio waves or whatever) would be knocked off "course" by the gravimetric forces in the galaxies. At these vast distances 1mm off course along the way means you miss the target by lightyears.

I don't think there's a method currently that allows anticipation and correction of the path of the signal since we have not mapped anything close to what's needed to accurately calculate the trajectory.
 
Hm, such 30 m telescope would do wonders, from what I can tell, it can easily resolve stars in Andromeda, since it would get a resolution of 0.05 light years in visible light, which is amazing.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=arcsin(1.22+*+(+(c+/+600+THz)+/+30+m+))+*+3.21+Mly+in+ly

Assuming that you can focus a beam at a spot as small as the Earth as viewed from the Sun, you'd need about as much energy as reaches the Earth to outshine the sun (I got bored to try and make calculations, so now I'm guessing). Since we're getting this much energy from the sun, this is doable by an advanced civilisation. And since you don't need that much for the signal to be discernable (I don't know how much you need, but it's much much less than that), you can either focus the beam at a larger area, or use much less powerful beam, or both.

This means that an advanced civilisation in our galaxy could create a signal that can be heard with a fairly small telescope in Andromeda, and such signal could be sustained for a long period of time.

I'd say that this means that we should launch such telescope and start scanning Andromeda for such signals right away. :P
 
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