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Anybody else having problems with the TOS HD DVD's?

Outpost4 said:
You obviously missed this article on Trek Movie today where Paramount announced their intention to go ahead with seasons 2 & 3 on HD-DVD, announcing sales of season 1 approaching 100,000 units.
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I hate to tell you this but this announcement came BEFORE the Warner and New Line announcement and we will now have to wait and see if Paramount changes their stripes (which I think they will). I have read elsewhere that the board was very upset with the management making the decision to go HD-DVD exclusive and I'm afraid we have yet to see the fallout from that decision at Paramount. If Paramount goes ahead with releasing the HD-DVD version they will likely be soon following it with a Blu-Ray editions. Something they should have done from the start. I personally have no intention in upgrading until they release in Blu-Ray.

Kevin
 
Ktrek said:
I personally have no intention in upgrading until they release in Blu-Ray.
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What makes you think that Blu-ray is the definitive final format? There'll be something else even better some day. And, ultimately, an interactive holodeck version!

In the meantime, let people enjoy their ST in HD! It's the choice they make to be early adopters of new technology. I really don't see a problem.
 
Thank you, Therin.

Ktrek said:
I personally have no intention in upgrading until they release in Blu-Ray.
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Not a bad idea. I skipped the LaserDisc versions of Star Trek because I'd spent too much money on the VHS ones.

Kevin, I have no problem with you not buying HD DVD. As opposed to some people on the Internet (not you, Kevin, but the Blu-ray fanboys out there who really need to let go of their joystick), I support enjoying Star Trek no matter how you choose to watch it.
 
Therin of Andor said:
What makes you think that Blu-ray is the definitive final format?
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Or that this version will be the final one? In one of the extras on the remastered version, there is a HD shot of the inside of the old hanger deck model. It shows the shuttlecraft on the turntable and launch (or landing - I can't remember which) in HD. Now these are scenes we've never seen on Star Trek Remastered. They've all been replaced with CGI versions. As a real fan of the hanger deck miniature, I spent a lot of time rewatching these few seconds of footage.

That got me thinking. If I was CBS and I was going to go to all the expense doing a HD transfer from the original film, cleaning up and improving the picture like they did, would I do only 90% of the job?

In other words, would just clean up the set shots or would I also spend the same time on the original effects? Even though I knew many of them would be replaced, wouldn't I also clean those up, too, just to finish the job? Now, no one knows...

< PTM, feel free to step in here >

...but after seeing these hanger deck shots looking so beautiful, I guessed, yes, they would. It seemed even more unlikely they would do a HD transfer of just these scenes for a bonus feature that few will ever watch. I bet they spent the same time on the old special effects shots as they did restoring the rest of the series.

Add onto this that the transfer and clean up had to come before they created the new effects shots, so many if not all of the new effects weren't finalized at this point, and it only makes sense to restore the entire episode.

So here is my ultimate HD box: It has both the CGI remastered and the regular versions of each episode in HD.

And only God knows what format it will be on.

I am now thinking this won't be the last version of Star Trek I buy.

:censored:
 
Well i bought season 1 HD and a toshiba combo BD/HD DVD player to eliminate the "war". Unfortunately i have problems with 8 of my 10 discs in my season 1 set. That is totally unacceptable. There are no firmware updates out there for my model either. I called Paramount home video over a week ago and had to leave a message and have not been contacted yet as what to do with these discs. I have read on many sites that a lot of people are having problems with these discs. Its such a shame especially at the price of these sets.
 
I thought Toshiba didn't made a combo player.

And I also thought all HD DVD players are capable of being updated. Updates often seem to solve disc playing problems.

More info, please.
 
So... do these HD DVDs also carry unaltered, original SFX versions of the show as promised, or is it just the crappy CGI?
 
Did you read my post three up in this thread? It addressed exactly this.

No, they don't have the regular versions and that was never promised. What was promised and what they do have is the "crappy CGI" episodes in HD DVD and regular DVD.

I'm out of here for the rest of the day. Between this and Blu-ray fanboys, I've had enough Internet attitude to last me for quite a while.
 
Outpost4 said:
Did you read my post three up in this thread? It addressed exactly this.

No, they don't have the regular versions and that was never promised. What was promised and what they do have is the "crappy CGI" episodes in HD DVD and regular DVD.
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Oh, wrong. One person from paramount I believe Okuda the guy heading the project has said that the HD DVDs would carry both.

It also rather means I have no interest in these things at all.
 
Outpost4 said:
I thought Toshiba didn't made a combo player.
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They don't.

Samsung and LG do make combos, though Samsung's isn't out yet.

And I also thought all HD DVD players are capable of being updated.
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They are. As are all BluRay players.

You can either update the firmware with a network connection, or a specially burned CD (provided to you by the company, or you can burn your own with updates downloaded off the 'net).
 
Outpost4 said:
I thought Toshiba didn't made a combo player.

And I also thought all HD DVD players are capable of being updated. Updates often seem to solve disc playing problems.

More info, please.
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My bad. Its the samsung combo player. Now that i'm home i can verify it. I bought it the week before Christmas at Best Buy so i dont know why dude says it isnt out yet. Also what i meant was that there are no updates available right now this second. I didnt mean to imply that it is incapable of being updated at all . Hopefully there will be something soon to clear this stuff up. I put in a 2nd call to Paramount this afternoon. We'll see what happens.
 
There is an update scheduled for your player in January, 2008. link

Congrats on buying it. I'll give Babaganoosh a break on this one. The BD-UP5000 has been delayed a number of times and is scheduled for real release in February. A few, maybe less than 1,000, made it out in December.

You don't want to hear this but I think you are barking up the wrong tree trying to get Paramount to exchange your discs. Go ahead and try. I hope you succeed. Just don't be surprised if any replacement discs still have problems. Especially with the very first release of a new piece, problems must be expected. I still think the problem is in your player. Does it play other HD DVDs OK? Try the upgrade when it's available.

Another option would be to play the discs on another player, even one in a store. If you don't know anyone who owns a HD DVD player, go into a store and play a bad disc on a Toshiba. A regular HD DVD player. Not a combo player. See if how they play on that machine. You really need to check this out further.
 
Outpost4 said: The BD-UP5000 has been delayed a number of times and is scheduled for real release in February. A few, maybe less than 1,000, made it out in December.
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And there's already a BD-UP5500 due out in a few months as well (the "second half" of 2008).
 
Outpost4 said:
There is an update scheduled for your player in January, 2008. link

Congrats on buying it. I'll give Babaganoosh a break on this one. The BD-UP5000 has been delayed a number of times and is scheduled for real release in February. A few, maybe less than 1,000, made it out in December.

You don't want to hear this but I think you are barking up the wrong tree trying to get Paramount to exchange your discs. Go ahead and try. I hope you succeed. Just don't be surprised if any replacement discs still have problems. Especially with the very first release of a new piece, problems must be expected. I still think the problem is in your player. Does it play other HD DVDs OK? Try the upgrade when it's available.

Another option would be to play the discs on another player, even one in a store. If you don't know anyone who owns a HD DVD player, go into a store and play a bad disc on a Toshiba. A regular HD DVD player. Not a combo player. See if how they play on that machine. You really need to check this out further.
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Many thanks for the link. Maybe that will clear up the issues once the update is released. I will also try what you suggested as far as trying someone elses player but i have read on other forums from people without combo players having some of the same issues. On one page i had read it seemed someone had narrowed it down to the episodes that has the "Starfleet Access" that is giving the troubles. Indeed i checked and that is the case with me as well.

Oh yeah Re: Paramount, I had some bad Voyager discs about 2 years ago. A couple of discs wouldnt play on 4 different players that i tried so i got in contact with them as they replaced them. Low and behold they sent the new discs to me and they worked. The Voyager sets were double sided just as these season 1 HD discs are and i have had problems with double sided discs in the past (Miami Vice season 1 comes to mind) so i also wonder if that has anything to do with it.
 
Quite the experience with Voyager. I'm glad I've never run into something like that.

I'm glad to help. Did you see this thread over in Miscellaneous? It's by another Trekkie who has your player and also has issues.

You do have a good machine, just maybe not quite yet. Think of it as a preemie. It needs special care right now. It will grow up to be a fine adult. :)
 
Whoo hoo! I have good news about the HD DVDs.

and frankly, I could use a little good HD DVD news right now :D

The bad opening narration that Ptrope and I were bitching about upthread? It's an effect of the player, not the discs. Updating the software in the player makes it go away. The narration is now just like we hear it in syndication.

First, our complaint was excessive reverberation on Kirk's opening "Space...the final frontier..." The whole thing was real echoy. Well, this morning I updated the firmware for my Toshiba HD-A2. I played WNMHGB this afternoon as a test. This was strictly an academic pursuit. I deliberately did not enjoy myself. During this intellectual exercise, I discovered the narration was fine. Huh? I then played the opening to Corbomite Manuever, which I know sounded funky before. It's perfect now. Yahoo! It was my player, not the discs.

Ptrope, PM and let's talk about upgrading your firmware. It took me 6 tries over the course of two days to get it done. I think I can save you some time.

I'm so happy I'm going to watch another episode. Only, which one?

Arena. I love Arena. Always have. Hi def Gorn.

Cool beans.
 
I just recieved the set today and was trying to watch the regular, non-HD DVD version of the menagerie. The first part played fine, up until about a half hour and then started skipping and freezing. I tried playing the second part and it ended up freezing and there was no picture. Is this common?
 
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