another new season 2 trailer and poster

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by pst, Dec 13, 2018.

  1. Attentiveluke

    Attentiveluke Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Yep, Right
     
  2. BillJ

    BillJ Former Democrat Premium Member

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    She's the star. I think she would be fine if the writing were better.
     
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  3. Tuskin38

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    Still no use of the spore drive for transportation seen in these trailers. Good sign.

    Glad to see you agree with me.
     
  4. Gepard

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    The way they were depicted in DS9 and ENT, they were closer to a kind of terrorist cell then any sort of government agency. Though Trek has ways been kind of muddled on this point – the claim that they were part of the original Starfleet charter gives them official status, but then they operate like a conspiracy of rogue individuals. To my knowledge, there is no arm of any government anywhere on Earth that does things that way. Even in highly totalitarian societies, the secret police are authorized and the public knows about them, even if they don't know the details of what they do.

    Honestly, they should have just left it as it was in DS9 when there was a very real possibility that Section 31 was nothing more than elusions of grandeur by a couple powerful individuals.

    ...on the other other hand, if they are going to keep using Section 31, perhaps it makes sense to retcon them as a fully-official aspect of Starfleet/the Federation. They already get treated like they're the Starfleet version of the CIA, doing questionable clandestine shit in the name of "national security," so they might as well be written to have the same level of public awareness.
     
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  5. eschaton

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    It remains to be seen if this will work or not for Season 2. But it didn't work at all for Season 1 because they didn't have the budget or the large extended cast to actually tell an epic story correctly. Hence we were stuck on Discovery for almost all of a quadrant spanning war, and only four fucking Klingons even got more than two lines across the entire season.

    But in terms of "epic scope" the signs from this trailer are ominous. There's clearly a few new characters being introduced, but we're not going to get a GoT-like three-dozen people to keep track of across varying sites in the quadrant. Thus the scope can't help but feel somewhat constrained. Honestly DIS's small cast is better suited for a more personal-stakes style story.
     
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  6. BillJ

    BillJ Former Democrat Premium Member

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    And none of it matters if it is simply treated as a reboot. :rofl:
     
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  7. Attentiveluke

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    Too many mistakes were made with her character in S1 it would be difficult to salvage her. If Star Trek must have a ‘star’, they could shift the focus to someone else. I doubt many people are enamoured with her and would miss her. DIS kill off characters all the time...
     
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  8. eschaton

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    Burnham was poorly written, but I don't know if I'd argue she's a bad character.

    The main issue in Season 1 wasn't that she was the main character, but that she was arguably the only character, dominating it in a way that no one since Kirk had. Basically about half of the conversations that took place on the show were between Burnham and someone else. And in those rare cases where two other people were allowed to have a conversation onscreen without Micheal being there, it was to tech the tech in order to plot the plot. Basically the other characters only existed as plot devices.
     
  9. BillJ

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    I don't think so. She's a talented actor, just comes down to the material.
     
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  10. BillJ

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    I think the biggest issue was the only thing that really defined her was her connection to Spock.
     
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  11. BillJ

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    Or something like Star Trek: Vanguard, that could tell a big story while being able to balance smaller stories and make the characters seem like more than plot-devices.
     
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  12. dahj

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    A threat to end all sentient life you say...

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    :whistle:
     
  13. Chancellor M'rek

    Chancellor M'rek Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    The way they are throwing around Section 31 this might actually be the Kelvin Universe

    OR Pike was going to expose them and 31 melted his face and put him in a beeping chair.
     
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    She's the main character of the show. That's how it was pitched and marketed. Walking it back in favor of whom? Captain Pike? That sounds like a bad idea for a number of reasons.

    Regardless, I know I'm different on this one. I like Burnham. Scandalous, I know ;)
     
  15. eschaton

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    There were hints of something smart they could have done with Burnham. She seemed to me - in Act 1, to be a character who was fundamentally in denial about herself. She believed due to her Vulcan upbringing that she was a coolly rational person, but in reality she was very emotionally stunted and traumatized. But the writers seemed to forget about this (or else it just seemed to be there due to inconsistent characterization) and just decided in Act 2 that what we really wanted to see was her being emotionally tortured by being betrayed by everyone she loved and/or respected.
     
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  16. BillJ

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    Does seem like I've read/seen/played that story somewhere else! :guffaw:
     
  17. BillJ

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    Nobody's perfect. ;)
     
  18. fireproof78

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    I never claimed otherwise ;)
     
  19. CaptainMurdock

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    Ethan Peck's Spock reminds me a lot of Kevin Sorbo.
     
  20. Scotty's Scotch Bottle

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    Is no one bothered by the apparently emotional Spock?

    I guess it's at least consistent with canon depiction in The Cage.